Biggwall problems.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

Let me make this clear, I like Laochra as a person and a player, but he is over analyzing every aspect of the 'competitive game' the last 2/3 months. From re-walling to selections and now to the use of walls, seriously. Originally there were no rules, the only one the community came up with was 'no wf first turn' and that is the only rule here that actually allows for a game to develop and makes sense. The rest of this nonsense is creating such a repetitive experience that is becoming mundane and boring to the extreme. Next we will argue that WF's are unfair in general .

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:55

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 14:37

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

Originally there were no rules, the only one the community came up with was 'no wf first turn' and that is the only rule here that actually allows for a game to develop and makes sense. The rest of this nonsense is creating such a repetitive experience that is becoming mundane and boring to the extreme. Next we will argue that WF's are unfair in general .

I say we bring this back and us "no wf cap first turn" rule ...everything else (outside territory), permited.

Even things like making walls in your enemy teritory 1st turn, etc. etc.

and we bring back old school 2 3 min turns!!!! ... ...to much

fixed x

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:01

youre right there are no rules, and look at all this drama, what sort of competitive game doesnt have official rules? The only thing the rules forbid me from doing is using bugs and glitches against you.

how many arguments and forum threads need to be made before you feel the need to do something? this arguments nothing new and look at the friction it causes. Goblin and waffel have declared their intent to first turn wf all users of the double wall. So much for the community coming up with "no wf first turn". This will not be the last thread or argument of this kind either, but by all means, feel free to tell the next person who complains theyre being overanalytical and boring.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:01

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

youre right there are no rules, and look at all this drama, what sort of competitive game doesnt have official rules? The only thing the rules forbid me from doing is using bugs and glitches against you.

how many arguments and forum threads need to be made before you feel the need to do something? this arguments nothing new and look at the friction it causes. Goblin and waffel have declared their intent to first turn wf all users of the double wall. So much for the community coming up with "no wf first turn". This will not be the last thread or argument of this kind either, but by all means, feel free to tell the next person who complains theyre being overanalytical and boring.

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 15:07

If you were not bitches who use a move nobody can do a thing about, we wouldnt be having this discussions in the first place.

Thats a fact ...and you can cry all you want.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:13

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:01

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

youre right there are no rules, and look at all this drama, what sort of competitive game doesnt have official rules? The only thing the rules forbid me from doing is using bugs and glitches against you.

how many arguments and forum threads need to be made before you feel the need to do something? this arguments nothing new and look at the friction it causes. Goblin and waffel have declared their intent to first turn wf all users of the double wall. So much for the community coming up with "no wf first turn". This will not be the last thread or argument of this kind either, but by all means, feel free to tell the next person who complains theyre being overanalytical and boring.

No mate the constant over analysis of things like this divide the community not enhance the user experience. It's only been the last 2-3 months where I have noticed such 'discussions' taking place, and this is because people are believing they can recreate the wheel. The rules are very simple from my perspective, NO WF applied to CITYS first turn, and no unit on enemies land. This has never been a big issues to understand before

You will tell me it is not that simple because people are arguing over it, well no it was that simple and worked very well, much in the same way that picks in cws used to be pick what you want before your opponent (but thats another stupid argument) if a system isn't broken don't fix it.

Also if goblin and waffle manage to wf your double wall without being on your land or interfiering with your cities then fair play.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 13:50

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 13:43

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 13:15

why are you taking it as disrespect... you clearly dont understand where im coming from, or just disagree, i'm not particularly offended by this...A move thats used all over aw for years, and its only now that waffel has begun issuing orders to first turn wf users...

answering yet again only part of my post that has no real meaning

you just cant give up big wall rewalling can you? ...and all that talk about you adapting to situations and similar things, all talk no show.

I gave up and offered rewalling and serbian rewalling as legit ...but you want it all without compromise.

Expect me to do not just what syrian did, but i will invade your teritory.

Good talk.

so now youre threatening me because i disagree with you?

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 15:22

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 15:07

If you were not bitches who use a move nobody can do a thing about, we wouldnt be having this discussions in the first place.

Thats a fact ...and you can cry all you want.

the only bitch i see crying is you.you been crying about rewall over a year now.And lao was very polite when talking to you, so you should do the same.Bitch..

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:13

I will repeat these situations from the previous time this argument was discussed


Repeat to me why, in any of the situations above, your opponent should 'pretend' like your 2nd wall is there, sorry mate as I have said 1000 times now it is you as a users error (or genius fine line) to attempt such double walls

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 15:22

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 15:07

If you were not bitches who use a move nobody can do a thing about, we wouldnt be having this discussions in the first place.

Thats a fact ...and you can cry all you want.

the only bitch i see crying is you.you been crying about rewall over a year now.And lao was very polite when talking to you, so you should do the same.Bitch..

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 14:04

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 14.10.2014 at 14:01

נכתב על ידי SyrianDevil, 14.10.2014 at 13:52

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 14.10.2014 at 13:17

נכתב על ידי SyrianDevil, 14.10.2014 at 12:44

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 11:50

If this is the "serious" conversation that followed the troll/gif removed comments...then sorry but i would take my gifs anyday carry on please this is very interesting

please stop crying to support your clan mate
Thanks

you did this to me in ladder challenge so stfu

With your logic, i can wf every single capital in europe, but kiev and madrid.

he did the wall that prevent me from attack ankara till turn 4
wtf is this
i wasted a 1unit to wf this wall in propose because im not giving him advantge over this

So i may aswell wf your cap to prevent ukraine from expanding turn 2?
My blitzkrig turkey depends on 2 layers of walls, i been doing that since 2013.

this is why we have this and the other thread, waffel, goblin bonker w4r and mou think this is ok. My main imp turk depends on a double wall. If syrian had rushed me in that cw turn 3 i wouldve been dead. nothing i could do to stop it.

נכתב על ידי THE_Militia, 14.10.2014 at 15:31

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 14:14

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 14:00

us illyrians... im done with this circular argument for now, until one of the mods try and do something about making a set of rules official. Until then it is not worth discussing since its accomplishing nothing.

but remind me not to play against youin the near future... how maddening after all the games ive played against you without a single rewall or double wall that you would make "promises" like this over a stupid disagreement.

Negotiations have failed ...i posted my offer multiple times, but you would never compromise, not even comment it ...things just have to be your way.

And your ranting about official rules and mods enforcing them ...give me a fuckin break.

And i was in a CW where acquisce big wall rewalling fucked over me and my clan mate into slowly starting to lose west.

Bonker is right actually ...competitive players need to stop being bitches. There should be only 1 rule ...no attacking capitals turn 2. All else permited ...might just freshen up this game.

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 15:33

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 15:22

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 15:07

If you were not bitches who use a move nobody can do a thing about, we wouldnt be having this discussions in the first place.

Thats a fact ...and you can cry all you want.

the only bitch i see crying is you.you been crying about rewall over a year now.And lao was very polite when talking to you, so you should do the same.Bitch..

I stoped complaining about rewalling months ago, i didnt complain when acquiesce did it to us in a CW, but you were the first to cry like a fuckin bunch of cunts when someone accidently wf'd your big wall and then crying again when syrian did it.

Politness? fuck off little greek ...i was trying to be polite here, debate and find a solution and all i got from you is fuckin gifs and bullshit with only intention you fuckers have is to get what you want.

Pls send me now a threatning picture so i can laugh again like when you did to Tik tok.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 15:34

Ohh now I see your point, you dont want the wall '''banned'' because it will inflict your ''main imp playstyle'' and then say you arent hypocrite or selfish at all?
Seriously man.... all this only because YOU can play your way? Get lost man, you also wanted to change the strategies because they didnt fit you, well you got your way they got boosted/nerfed whatever, all you do is caring about your self and every upgrade/boost you want has to do something with you.
Call it personal attacking or not, but you've said it your self.

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but thats just it bonker, these are not rules but just unspoken agreements. Goblin and waffel have declared intent to open double walls with turn 1 wfs and if they have to invade enemy territory to do so they will. how does this not divide the community? People are going to react, people are already reacting Are you not seeing what i am? 2 4 page threads full of differing opinions and not a single person can be condemned within the rules as being right or wrong because there are no rules.

even within your own clan there are people who disagree with you and goblin. Mk and illyria have the best clan relationship, we play dozens of cws, theres no rewalling, bitching about dcs or picks, drama about double walls or first turn wfs. We dont agree with the stalins picking order method, but we adhere to it to prevent friction. Not everybody has to agree with the rules. If goblins rules were made official i would adhere to them. A majority vote would be needed. >70% or no change implemented, something along those lines.

נכתב על ידי THE_Militia, 14.10.2014 at 15:38

Speak only English please. We don't use other languages.And be polite!

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 14.10.2014 at 14:16

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:13

Blitz turkey is a fail vs good players anyway regardless of how many walls you have.

My blitzkrieg turkey is different than the one used by many rushers, i hardly use it, but when i do it heavily depends on walls, wfing my double capital wall turn 1 literally fucks it up.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

Let me make this clear, I like Laochra as a person and a player, but he is over analyzing every aspect of the 'competitive game' the last 2/3 months. From re-walling to selections and now to the use of walls, seriously. Originally there were no rules, the only one the community came up with was 'no wf first turn' and that is the only rule here that actually allows for a game to develop and makes sense. The rest of this nonsense is creating such a repetitive experience that is becoming mundane and boring to the extreme. Next we will argue that WF's are unfair in general .

נכתב על ידי Viruslegion, 14.10.2014 at 14:44

This is easily the most retarded topic I've ever seen, someone made a better wall than Waffel and, as usual, he took to the forums to cry about it, I really don't get all these people who want to make countless rules about playing the game, takes all the fun out of it.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:45

The common theme in the very best games online/board games etc is simplicity. By making a huge amounts of rules games become even more niche and die. That is something a small community, especially the competitive part here cannot afford to do, that is what people should be waking up to. The very best players bar a handful that I have seen play this game, have all left, probably because of all these rules have actually killed the competitive and innovative edge (go look at Dalmati death thread for example)

I don't and never have agreed that units should be on someones territory first turn. I repeat though that if they find a way to break your attempt at a second wall without interfering with the walling of your cities or having units directly on your land (like the SS's provided in my previous post) then really you have nothing to complain of.

Your relationship with MK is no different to my experience with MK, that is down more on MK than Illyria imo, but this is not a discussion about that though so I will refrain from commenting further on that topic.

"We dont agree with the stalins picking order method" - it is not our picking method, it is the way it had always been before the last 6 months or so. Once again though this is not on topic so lets leave that out of this discussion.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:32

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:13

I will repeat these situations from the previous time this argument was discussed


Repeat to me why, in any of the situations above, your opponent should 'pretend' like your 2nd wall is there, sorry mate as I have said 1000 times now it is you as a users error (or genius fine line) to attempt such double walls

ive repeated a lot. to me i was always told no turn 1 wf when playing aw. I interpreted this to incllude walls on an opponents territory. If i accidentally wf'd them i would pretend they were there, in the past i have received the same courtesy, it was unspoken and never became a problem, until w4r and mou. To me this seems like common sense and courtesy. In the case of turk there is no nearby countries to justify a wf. In syrians case it was blatantly deliberate. This is going to cause drama. There is nothing outlined in the rules, so people are going to feel differently about it and whats technically "fair".

when i brought this up in the other thread and waffel witnessed that others disliked double walls too, he suddenly felt he had justification to tell his clanmembers to turn 1 wf me deliberately in cws.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:56

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:45

The common theme in the very best games online/board games etc is simplicity. By making a huge amounts of rules games become even more niche and die. That is something a small community, especially the competitive part here cannot afford to do, that is what people should be waking up to. The very best players bar a handful that I have seen play this game, have all left, probably because of all these rules have actually killed the competitive and innovative edge (go look at Dalmati death thread for example)

I don't and never have agreed that units should be on someones territory first turn. I repeat though that if they find a way to break your attempt at a second wall without interfering with the walling of your cities or having units directly on your land (like the SS's provided in my previous post) then really you have nothing to complain of.

Your relationship with MK is no different to my experience with MK, that is down more on MK than Illyria imo, but this is not a discussion about that though so I will refrain from commenting further on that topic.

"We dont agree with the stalins picking order method" - it is not our picking method, it is the way it had always been before the last 6 months or so. Once again though this is not on topic so lets leave that out of this discussion.

yes i would agree, 2-3 outlinded gamerules wont hurt simplicity, it'll stop all this drama. From what i read in the dalmati thread the reasons for their leaving is completely unrelated to the topic of this thread, so im not sure why you brought that up.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:26

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 15:13

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 14.10.2014 at 15:01

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 14:23

youre right there are no rules, and look at all this drama, what sort of competitive game doesnt have official rules? The only thing the rules forbid me from doing is using bugs and glitches against you.

how many arguments and forum threads need to be made before you feel the need to do something? this arguments nothing new and look at the friction it causes. Goblin and waffel have declared their intent to first turn wf all users of the double wall. So much for the community coming up with "no wf first turn". This will not be the last thread or argument of this kind either, but by all means, feel free to tell the next person who complains theyre being overanalytical and boring.

No mate the constant over analysis of things like this divide the community not enhance the user experience. It's only been the last 2-3 months where I have noticed such 'discussions' taking place, and this is because people are believing they can recreate the wheel. The rules are very simple from my perspective, NO WF applied to CITYS first turn, and no unit on enemies land. This has never been a big issues to understand before

You will tell me it is not that simple because people are arguing over it, well no it was that simple and worked very well, much in the same way that picks in cws used to be pick what you want before your opponent (but thats another stupid argument) if a system isn't broken don't fix it.

Also if goblin and waffle manage to wf your double wall without being on your land or interfiering with your cities then fair play.

but thats just it bonker, these are not rules but just unspoken agreements. Goblin and waffel have declared intent to open double walls with turn 1 wfs and if they have to invade enemy territory to do so they will. how does this not divide the community? People are going to react, people are already reacting Are you not seeing what i am? 2 4 page threads full of differing opinions and not a single person can be condemned within the rules as being right or wrong because there are no rules.

even within your own clan there are people who disagree with you and goblin. Mk and illyria have the best clan relationship, we play dozens of cws, theres no rewalling, bitching about dcs or picks, drama about double walls or first turn wfs. We dont agree with the stalins picking order method, but we adhere to it to prevent friction. Not everybody has to agree with the rules. If goblins rules were made official i would adhere to them. A majority vote would be needed. >70% or no change implemented, something along those lines.

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 14.10.2014 at 11:44

נכתב על ידי Quantum027, 14.10.2014 at 11:37

And crossing through land isnt the same as landing, the landing has the potential to wf the land, while passing through it does nothing to walls around say kiev, if it does wf then its clearly an intentional troll who doesnt deserve to play in serious CWs

Of course is not, jesus ...fine i said "entering", ok "leaving your units in opponents teritory turn 1" ...everyone happy?

Seriously ...im being trolled because i used a wrong word by Clovis? ...by Clovis

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 14.10.2014 at 15:46

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 14.10.2014 at 14:16

My blitzkrieg turkey is different than the one used by many rushers, i hardly use it, but when i do it heavily depends on walls, wfing my double capital wall turn 1 literally fucks it up.

Double capital wall has no counter, The only counter for it is to WF turn 1. And since wfing on turn 1 is not legit, this wall shouldn't be legit either since the counter is not legit.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 16:07

You spoke of a great relationship with MK, maybe they will be only ones willing to cw you in future, the rest off us might just stop playing...who knows.

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 14.10.2014 at 17:14

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 16:07

You spoke of a great relationship with MK, maybe they will be only ones willing to cw you in future, the rest off us might just stop playing...who knows.

if thats not pedantic , hell, i dont know what is.You are acting like a child bonker.You demand, things, like a baby does.You are basicly saying " you will do what we want and act like we want, or we will stop cwing you." if i understood correctly.
Well speaking from my part, go ahead, im not gonna cry at night.

נכתב על ידי b0nker2, 14.10.2014 at 16:07

Dalmati left for the main part due to a lack of competitiveness in the community, from my understanding this started with the 'fair ranks' situation something that at the time stopped them from being able to find cws, probably an initial starting point to all these extra rules being put into place. My point was that these rules will ultimately kill creativity and in turn competitiveness. Kill chances of clans being able to cw each other because they dont share same values and end up with, the same boring cws between 2-4 clans each time. You spoke of a great relationship with MK, maybe they will be only ones willing to cw you in future, the rest off us might just stop playing...who knows.