15.04.2018 - 07:22
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15.04.2018 - 07:28 Soldier001 החשבון נמחק
LOL ? it's not wise to make it personal with different country leader, it almost started nuclear war during carribean crisis
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15.04.2018 - 08:53
yeah but they did it so they could say we are more advanced than filthy commies "obviously quoted from NASA" ![]()
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15.04.2018 - 08:55
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15.04.2018 - 08:58
didnt think about this, makes since so many Soviet missions failed ![]()
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15.04.2018 - 09:02
easy answer they lied about shooting down 71 missles gg end of discussion
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15.04.2018 - 10:23
US leadership is not threatened in the Middle East, regardless of what Assad does, to say otherwise is foolish
Israel wouldn't attack unless provoked, lol, just fucking lol
No, they were false flag attacks carried out in all likelihood by Israel/UK/US in order to provoke this response, you people are the ones that stand to benefit from a divided and conflict stricken Middle East, if Trump had any sense he would put Israel on a leash already
nice ignoring everything I posted, typical.
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15.04.2018 - 12:17
As far as I know It were you who narrowed this debate into 3 irrelevant subjects. If i did miss anything please enlighten me.
Yeah your gas contracts are yet safe. but examining the timing of the recently events and considering Assad reaction to US attack celebrating victory and calling the USA irrelevant you can see what they are doing here. The Middle East runs in a diffrent way. the best way to gain support project power and gain people trust in countering the west in terror attacks/guriella werfare/media. On other words Iran does'nt need to be superpower in order to promote USA rivals in the Middle East. they just need to fund terror actions and do media work which is easier and more efficient for them, and while they undermining all USA followers in the Middle East (Egypt, Jordan. Iraq and Lebanon that officially switched sides. Israel, Saudi Arbabia UAE and Kuwait) you can understand the need for counter action.
I am not even coming up with any new, That's the common opinion of the Israeli public. Economy is desperate for couple of quiet years. half of the kids I know suffer from post traumas and spent too many days on shelters instead of school. nerves medicines and marijuana are the Israeli equilavent to gold. What does Israel has to gain from Global war In Syria? The only possible threath Is Iran managing to get nuclear weapon and taking advantage of it to promote terror. but until then in any other scenario the Israeli defence community prefered low heat conflict. which means small scale and unfrequent attacks as long as things don't get harash. therefore Israel would not do anything that will risk esclating to war unless it has to.
Once Again that's not the situation. if the west would'nt work so hard to influence the Middle East without step foot I would understand. It's clear to all sides that Syria would'nt become democratic or western in our generation. Why would anyone want to fight there? Let us not forget that It's not like Trump sent troops to kick all the bad guys out of there. he made one-time narrowed missiles attack to prove that Assad can shave his Anti-Aircraft systems, Whatever the Iranians building there Israel will have to deal with when they provoke it. And If you want to claim for wide conspiracy then again you need to provide motive and evidence. If i missed anything please let me know about it.
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15.04.2018 - 13:16
East side is da best!!!
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15.04.2018 - 13:48
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15.04.2018 - 14:21
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15.04.2018 - 14:22
I already provided both, maybe try rereading my posts or stop wasting my time
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15.04.2018 - 14:46
Oh what a nice way to ditch debate
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15.04.2018 - 16:10
East side
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15.04.2018 - 18:05
I'm starting to dislike Putin... he became only talk and no action, i guess he's getting old. He said so many times he will supply s-300/400 to Syria and Iran and still nothing, then he said Russia will shoot down any non-ally(syrian or iranian) plane/drone/missile over Syria, and then he doesn't stop tomahawks. Do i have to mention how Putin did nothing in 2016 when turk/isis/american or whoever killed russian ambassador. Imagine this happenened 40 years ago, during Cold War, you think Brezhnev would react the same as Putin? I'm not even going to go further into history, like US invasion of Serbia, when Russia could but didn't send advanced air defence, which could shoot down american planes. Serbians already managed to take down stealth fighter, only imagine how much damage would invasion forces had if Russia sent S-300 and Tor. SItuation is getting worse and worse: debt is killing America, manchild president is unpredictable, deep state need new war to distract people from decay, Europe need new war to distract people from failing EU and migrant crisis. Whom will they attack? Is any other country left? They already fought Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghan, Serbia, Libya, now Syria, who's next? Mexico? Brazil? Argentina? Congo? They are either non-NATO ally, or partner or exploited already. One look on political/military map shows whom. And no, solution is not to give Syria or Siberia or anything that West wants 'only to appease the warmongers', they already got eastern europe, baltic, ukraine, middle east, latin america, africa. Enough is enough. Fast forward to 6:10
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15.04.2018 - 22:21
"Debate" Come back when you want to actually read my replies, on second thought, don't come back, in your eyes your terrorist state can do no wrong, any "debate" with you is pointless
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15.04.2018 - 22:30
lol you say it like Russia is all goody two shoes and hasnt done anything wrong, lol remember Crimea? Russia basically stole it from Ukraine, they say US is Imperalist, lol talk about Russia, when we Won WW2 we could've said hey we beat Japan so Japan becomes a U.S State, but we didnt, we rebuilt their economy, infrastructure, etc, and they have the third largest economy in the world now, those wars you listed Korea was started by the Commies, we had retard Presidents for Vietnam, we had to save kuwait/was joint effort for Iraq, we invaded Afghanistan because we were attacked, Serb attack was led BY NATO NOT JUST USA, ehh Libya i dont know too much about and finally Syria, Assad looks like a fuckin creep and he obviously is hiding something, cause those civilians were gassed with their body signs as evidence. btw about the Russian Spy incident, funny how Russia wants him back so desperately but its only just 1 spy/Russian citizen, are they afraid he might reveal something. ![]()
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16.04.2018 - 06:25
By the way the attacks' primary objective was a Syrian research station that was not in any way confirmed to be researching chemical weapons even if the attack in Duma was true and even if it were researching chemical weapons it was definitely also researching many other things that are generally used for the everyday life of the people, completely idiotic. Also France refused to attack this research station and instead fired all of their own missiles on military targets, cheers to them
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16.04.2018 - 14:27
Ain't gonna criticize one side before we finish with first we started. America started, that mean they are first to deal with. Russia and China are encircled by the West, not West by the East. African imperialism, Operation Condor, Iraqi war was not led by Russia and China, but by the West. Therefore clear proof of who started first and what is their goal.
Yes i remember, they held referendum where 90% voted to join Russia. Perfectly legal up-to-date democratic UN process for a civilized world we live in. Unlike western led invasions on multiple countries across the world, 10,000km away from USA.
Russia didn't exit during WW2, you make no sense. Japan can coloqualliy said to be US state. Who play baseball otuside USA? USA didn't rebuild Japanese economy, Japanese people did. USA is smart enough not to annex countries as that bring problems, they merely control your foreign policy (for their invasions), as sheer size of US economy gives White House enough power to influence the world and maintain hegemony, therefore territorial expansion is not necessary (ethnic cleansing indians was enough, got 8 million square kilometers + alaska purchase).
No one cares for their ideology, whether they're commies or capies, they didn't attack USA. They tried to reunite their countries and liberate them from european colonialism. Then America came and prolonged the war where millions died. 'You had to save Kuwait', no you didn't, british artificially made it independent placing a criminal thug on power 80 years ago, so Iraq doesn't get sea access. Iraq tried to correct history, and US (UK ally) invaded them and destroyed. WMD were not found as Colin Powell said in UN, he lied. NATO is dwarf without USA, probably irrelevant without USA. They have large military budgets which they spend on salaries, not weapons. Europe is a shadow of what it once was. Even if they wish to rebuild their armies now, it would take 20 years - only to reach US/Russia level. NATO established 'no-fly zone' over Libya, and then used it only so their planes can fly and bomb government forces, and support the rebels (read: terrorists who later enslaved population and have open slave trade). Same NATO which established no-fly zone over Bosnia 20 years ago so government forces can't use air power, and then only NATO bombed government forces and supported muslims rebels (read: terrorists arrived from middle east funded by saudis). The country now muslims use a station to reach Europe (19 million and counting). Same NATO which supported albanian terrorists (funded by US ally saudi) and bombed Serbia so they leave Kosovo so terrorists could enslave people (white europeans and muslims alike) and sell their organs on the West (high demand no supply). AND stop-by for muslims arriving to Europe from Middle East/North Africa.
There is no proof there was chemical attack, attack would make a spill, there was none. Assad is winning, his army already got 90% of the territory, it's over, therefore no need to gas people or enemies. In fact, he got huge people support, so it was just another lie from Western media to start just another invasion. Western leaders lost connection with reality. Their media proves that. Not even westerners believe western leaders and media, as so much wars and lies proves it. Westerners just like any other human, tend naturally inward, solving their own problems, like debt, race riots, mexican migration, education and healthcare underfunding. Western media lost meaning now, they obviously don't care to persuade people in what they say (staged events like CNN did and/or fake news), and they don't have to persuade leaders as they are owned by them, so they became unnecessary tool in modern times. Leaders can fight wars without them.
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16.04.2018 - 15:04
k about korea they attacked the south, as the souths ally, the USA rightfully had the option to defend the south which we did, just like what Russia is doing right now, we had a right to help, and wasnt kuwait british before ww1? If so it can be a state, and the reason Iraq invaded Kuwait was that Kuwait loaned money but Saddam never payed it back, and decided to get rid of Kuwait, also about the Soviet Union, they were brutal as shit, Berlin Wall is an example, build a wall to keep people from leaving, horrifying, Stalin killed more than Hitler, when the Czechs protested and wanted freedom they sent tanks and killed civilians, China is fucking imperalist as well moving into the South China Sea, where multiple countries have claims, CNN is bs i agree, all they wanna do is blame Russia, which is wrong, btw you never answered why Russia wants that spy back, i also like how Russia made a Propaganda video of nuking Florida, shows how sweet they are. ![]()
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16.04.2018 - 17:17
HEY GUYS WHATS UP ITS YO BOI dead weight, just wanna say I support trump and america 100%, keep up the good work bois. ISRAEL IS PROUd ![]() love, dead weight
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16.04.2018 - 18:07
New Information, photos taken of the missles that were supposed to intercept the Tomahawks appear to be fired blindly and not hit any of their targets this casts some doubt on their statement saying they shot down 71 missles, the interceptors are going on smooth trajectories which normally theyd whip around quickly and collide with the missles, in the photos they obviously don't, the US missles flew in a swerving pattern imagine how much an interceptor would have to do to catch up.
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16.04.2018 - 19:05
You have information that in 1999 when Clinton bomb Serbia he used uranium bomb and now whole balkan is fucked You have information how many people die in balkan bc radiation?
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16.04.2018 - 19:53
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17.04.2018 - 13:03
Please quote for the sake of convenience.
DPRK sent army to liberate peninsula from occupation forces (USA) Unified Korea was broken by American arrival in 1945 ROK never accepted USA as an ally, it is a client state (vassal/puppet) USA and their new installed regime(ROK) genocided many koreans to stop the unification (100,000-200,000 killed) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeju_uprising When USA couldn't influence their elections, they went full totalitarianism; South Korea was dictatorship, allied with the 'free world' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Republic_of_Korea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Republic_of_Korea
It was ottoman before the british, what's your point? No it can't be a state just because the colonists left, it should be given back to original nation. Just like North Korea, Iraq wanted to reunify Kuwait province into Iraq (USA invaded the Confederation to reunite it, which is wrongly named 'civil war' today) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_Governorate
That's like saying Americans are evil because Israelis built a wall on Palestinian border. Doesn't make sense. Berlin Wall was built by East Germany, not USSR. USSR border end at Poland, Berlin was not Soviet city, i advise you to check historic map again.
China was never imperialist, for 4000 years, it was always foreigners who invaded and colonized China. (mongols, english, japanese) I don't recall China invading Japan, Russia, India, USA or England. Do you remember when China landed in Portsmouth and force London to cede? South China Sea is Chinese territory, USA changes rules so it can suit their game, that doesn't mean it's true and should be abided.
I didn't read anywhere Russia wants spy back, please link. All i've heard is that they want piece of poison to examine, which London didn't provide, and blame Russia before investigation is over. One nuking of Florida is nothing compared to Pentagon-owned Hollywood spamming anti-russian movies: Child 44, Red Sparrow, Bitter Harvest, Enemy at the gate. Michael McCaffrey: In the current propaganda war with Russia, the US seems to be taking a unique hybrid approach. Putin is certainly held up as an icon of evil but Russians and people of Russian descent are as also being demonized and in some very insidious and disturbing ways. For instance, James Clapper, former director of national intelligence, told NBC in an interview, "…the Russians, who typically, are almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain-favor, whatever..." Clapper's statement maligns all Russians, even Russian-Americans, as genetically duplicitous and diabolical. Such repulsive xenophobia isn't just good old-fashioned American Russia-hating, it is fast becoming US policy. Some of the most prominent of them were Child 44 (2015), the story about a Russian serial killer starring Tom Hardy, Steven Spielberg's Bridge of Spies (2015) starring Tom Hanks and Atomic Blonde (2017) starring Charlize Theron, both about nefarious Cold War Russian spies, and Bitter Harvest (2017), the story of famine induced by Joseph Stalin upon Ukrainians in the 1930s. These films, all set during the Cold War (except for Bitter Harvest), uniformly portray Russians as treacherous, vicious, malicious and merciless. On television, there has been the recurring anti-Russian storyline on the hit Netflix show House of Cards, where a remorseless and repugnant Putin-esque Russian leader cynically destroys people's lives. Last month the newest batch of films and television shows hit screens with the same theme of degrading and dehumanizing the Russian people as their propaganda predecessors. Red Sparrow is the story of a former ballerina turned Russian super spy trained in the sexual arts and stars the highest paid actress in the world, Jennifer Lawrence. The Death of Stalin is a dark comedy about the power struggle in the Soviet Union to fill the void after Stalin's death. And the hit FX television show The Americans is about a couple living in Cold War America in the 1980s who are actually deep undercover Soviet spies. Red Sparrow is a prime example of Hollywood's attempt to incite Americans to distrust and dislike the Russian people. The film is set in modern day Russia but feels decidedly Cold War in its depiction of the country as a bleak frozen tundra inhabited by the most paranoid and despicable of people. Every Russian man in the film is a vicious murderer, pedophile, rapist or traitor…and in the case of the lead villain played by Matthias Schoenaerts, a Vladimir Putin look-a-like, all of the above. Red Sparrow's Russian women fare no better as they are all cold-blooded, conniving, manipulative whores who are only proficient at sex, ballet or both. The Death of Stalin is a considerably better film than Red Sparrow, but that only means it is a more effective propaganda tool. In the film, under a veneer of humor, all Russians are portrayed as deceitful, corrupt, unscrupulous monsters only interested in selling out their comrades, gaining power and then brutally abusing it. The television show The Americans by its premise alone also ingrains in its audience the idea that Russians are not to be trusted because they are instinctively a deceptive and plotting people. The trudging up of the Cold War is an easy propaganda device that triggers old anti-communist and anti-Soviet fears among Americans. It is striking to note that Hollywood is portraying Russians solely in terms of the Cold War but not in regards to World War II. That is because Russia's role in defeating Hitler and ending the war in the Pacific is a heroic one and would undermine the foundation of Cold War enmity upon which the current Russophobic narrative is built. As Hollywood and the news media continue to indoctrinate Americans with an anti-Russian animus, US audiences will become even more susceptible to stories, like the Skripal poisoning, that feed the anti-Russian narrative no matter how tenuous or divorced from the facts they may be. The problem of Hollywood and America's Russophobia will only get worse, and that is troubling for all of us, because in this current climate, a war with Russia seems possible, and that would be a movie without a happy ending. Sometimes, when an enemy lacks the requisite charismatically evil leader to fit the propaganda bill, the US will demonize whole peoples, for example the Japanese in World War II. The dehumanizing of the Japanese people, instead of a single leader, is what convinced Americans to accept the internment of Japanese-Americans during World War II and the use of nuclear weapons on Japan to end that war, which is in marked contrast to Americans' attitudes towards German-Americans. http://mpmacting.com/blog/
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17.04.2018 - 13:08
Don't forget Macedonia 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tetovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Essential_Harvest
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