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פורסם על ידי Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

04.09.2016 - 13:14
Consul: 1
Censor: 2
Praetor: 1
Gaul: 1
Macedonian War: 2
Syrian War: 4
Levying: 2
Force Deployment: 1
Land Commissioner: Felix Cornelius
Tax Farmer: Caspiel Rex
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04.09.2016 - 14:12
Consul Vote
1) Aurelius Cornelius Scipio Illyricus (Zephyrusu) & Caspiel Rex Secundus (Darth.)

Censor Vote
2)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)

Praetor Vote
1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)



Governor of Cisalpine Gaul
1) Consul Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929)


Commands
Replace (Phoenix) as overall commander of the First Macedonian War with?
1) Consul Marco Flavius (Aqollo) [Ripam Alexandriae]

Who will command the Syrian War?
4)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus) [Populares]

[Vote upon levying of new Legions/fleets
2. 1 Legion

Force deployments
2.

Land Commissioner (+3 talents but a land bill must be in effect)
Abstain

Tax Farmer 3 (+2 Talents)
Abstain
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04.09.2016 - 14:35
נכתב על ידי Pyrrhus, 04.09.2016 at 14:12



Force deployments
Some clarity?





When I sent over the proposals to Aetius, I had been under the impression the Gallic War was still active. It was only until after Aetius posted it that I realized my mistake. After talking with Aetius before anyone voted, we decided it would be easier to just have the legions that were originally being sent to deal with Gauls (who no longer exist, again my bad) to instead be deployed to defend the province from Hannibal. If this choice is made, then those legions would (most likely) be engaging Hannibal.

To help clarify this second choice, all veteran legions, except for Legio VI, and 10 Legions will be sent to Cisalpine Gaul to defend/deal with Hannibal while other legions deployed to Syria.

The first choice would involve dealing with the Macedonians and the Syrians.


I do support the second choice though, Syrian war should be easy victory while dealing with Hannibal will bring an existential threat to an immediate end.
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04.09.2016 - 14:39
Consul vote:

2)Felix Cornelius (Godfather ) & Gaius Octavius (Tirpitz406)

Censor:
2)Marco Flavius (Aqollo)

Praetor:
2)Gaius Antonius Asellio (El Tundero)

Governor:
1) Consul Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )

First Macedonian War:
1) Consul Marco Flavius (Aqollo) [Ripam Alexandriae]

Syrian War:
4)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) [Populares]

Levying new forces:
2. 1 Legion

Force deployments:
2. All VETERAN legions but VI along with 10 legions to Gaul, Legio VI and 7 legions to Syria
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04.09.2016 - 14:41
If anyone is still confused about the proposals just pr/quote me and I will clarify. I came up with the proposals last night after work and again, was under the imrpession there was an active Gallic War. I apologize for the confusion :x



And as tribune, I propose myself to Command a force against Hannibal. I relinquish myself from command in the Syrian war.
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04.09.2016 - 17:35
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JF
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Godfather
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04.09.2016 - 17:41
I'd like to remind everyone that I'm immune to disaster rolls vs Mace, the only alternative to me should be Tirpitz because he has the same bonus. Since he's not on the list voting for anyone else isn't entirely safe.

We should also be using Zephyrus to fight Hannibal, because if he rolls a disaster roll vs him, we will only lose half out units (attrition bonus)my hope is he becomes field consul next turn so he can lead the 2nd punic war.

As for Syria, it would be nice to see someone else have a chance who hasn't already, JF would make a sound and loyal choice
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04.09.2016 - 17:43
I'd also like to apologise to mrarmy for being a knob to him last turn, you're a nice guy, you haven't done anything wrong, you don't deserve it.
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04.09.2016 - 19:59
I resign from the senate and withdraw from politics.

My shift is starting soon, i'll probably be sent to kapustin yar again (will be far away from home) but in any case i won't have internet, computers or time to play games.

I return around new year so if there is some forum game, i'll join. Maybe we can rename it to US Congress and fight terrorists instead carthage and bad omen will be debt.

Bye.
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04.09.2016 - 20:06
נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 04.09.2016 at 19:59


take you phone with you and make a hotspot for your laptop (or just use your phone)
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04.09.2016 - 20:17
No he works for the russian space agency tirpitz
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04.09.2016 - 21:23
נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 04.09.2016 at 19:59

I resign from the senate and withdraw from politics.

My shift is starting soon, i'll probably be sent to kapustin yar again (will be far away from home) but in any case i won't have internet, computers or time to play games.

I return around new year so if there is some forum game, i'll join. Maybe we can rename it to US Congress and fight terrorists instead carthage and bad omen will be debt.

Bye.

I nom,inated you for Consul so you could finally have a turn ;_;

Anyway, we'll miss ya, take care
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04.09.2016 - 21:34
 Oleg
נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.09.2016 at 20:17

No he works for the russian space agency tirpitz

i thought he was a pensiioner......
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04.09.2016 - 22:14
Consul Vote
1) Aurelius Cornelius Scipio Illyricus (Zephyrusu) & Caspiel Rex Secundus (Darth.)

Censor Vote
1)Tiberius Numertorius (JF.)

Praetor Vote
1)Vibius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)

Governor of Cisalpine Gaul
1) Consul Falavious Marcus (Pheonixking929 )

Commands
Replace (Phoenix) as overall commander of the First Macedonian War with?
3)Na

Who will command the Syrian War?
4)Publius Marius (Pyrrhus ) [Populares]


[Vote upon levying of new legions/fleets
3. No new recruitment (save money)

Force deployments
1. 8 Legions, Legio V, II, III, XIV and 5 fleets to Macedonia; Legio IV, VI, 4 legions to Syria

Felix Cornelius (Godfather ) (backed by Pheonixking929 +12 votes)

Tax Farmer 3 (+2 Talents)
Caspiel Rex (Darth.) (backed by Marco Flavius (Aqollo) +14 votes)
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04.09.2016 - 22:54
For the Syrian war i am going to vote for Phoenixking and use 10 gold coins to obtain votes in his favor.
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04.09.2016 - 23:01
נכתב על ידי Tundy, 04.09.2016 at 22:54

For the Syrian war i am going to vote for Phoenixking and use 10 gold coins to obtain votes in his favor.


The shekel man has returned
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04.09.2016 - 23:46
==Turn 8: Phase 3 has begun==
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04.09.2016 - 23:50
נכתב על ידי Tundy, 04.09.2016 at 22:54

For the Syrian war i am going to vote for Phoenixking and use 10 gold coins to obtain votes in his favor.


He resigned fool, keep your money.
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05.09.2016 - 01:50
Aetius, since you're governor of Illyria you cant assasinate me, so surely other intrigue cards don't work either since you're out of Rome? Save your own money
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05.09.2016 - 05:06
Question: Instead of suiciding or surrendering, why can't Falavious Marcus just retreat with his army. You've basically given him an impossible choice. Be dead, or be a traitor (since that 1 Gaulish army under Roman control will start serving Hannibal)...
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05.09.2016 - 06:45
נכתב על ידי Darth., 05.09.2016 at 05:06

Question: Instead of suiciding or surrendering, why can't Falavious Marcus just retreat with his army. You've basically given him an impossible choice. Be dead, or be a traitor (since that 1 Gaulish army under Roman control will start serving Hannibal)...

It's a garrison army, it only fights in Cisalpine Gaul. There is no dishonor in retreating and no one will blame him for it.
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05.09.2016 - 07:58
Yeah Darth ita not that garrison army that will join Hannibal per se.
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05.09.2016 - 08:52
"With barbarians at our gates, and with a heavy heart, my family and I have escaped from Cisalpine Gaul taking a small ship bypassing the Carthaginian fleet and docking near Rome. Myself and my officers are preparing the defenses of central Italy to eventually drive Hannibal back across the mountains from which he came. I hope the Senate may reinstate me with an army suitable enough to liberate our province. Regardless of their decision,

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05.09.2016 - 08:56
"As tribune for the plebs, I prose the Senate and future Consuls construct another fleet in order to eventually blockade Hannibal and any future relief efforts he may gain."
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05.09.2016 - 09:12
נכתב על ידי Pheonixking929, 05.09.2016 at 08:56

"As tribune for the plebs, I prose the Senate and future Consuls construct another fleet in order to eventually blockade Hannibal and any future relief efforts he may gain."


Tribunes are used in phase 2, we're in phase 3 and voting ended. Aetius might make an exception tho. Message him
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05.09.2016 - 09:17
נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 05.09.2016 at 09:12

נכתב על ידי Pheonixking929, 05.09.2016 at 08:56

"As tribune for the plebs, I prose the Senate and future Consuls construct another fleet in order to eventually blockade Hannibal and any future relief efforts he may gain."


Tribunes are used in phase 2, we're in phase 3 and voting ended. Aetius might make an exception tho. Message him

More of just a friendly reminder for next consuls, im messaging Aetius now about fleet deployments
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05.09.2016 - 21:49
נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.09.2016 at 20:17

No he works for the russian space agency tirpitz

The Russian Space Agency doesn't have internet??
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06.09.2016 - 12:15
==Turn 9: Phase 1 has begun==
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06.09.2016 - 12:22
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06.09.2016 - 12:22
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