Blitz

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:24

i assume you quoted this because you interpret it to be a contradiction. What is really as funny as hell, is that it is not and you just made yourself look like a tool.

I believe the idea is that clovis finds ridiculous your assertion that you can play "all the strategies" to perfect efficiency, when you "never" use certain strategies and therefore have no observations of your own performance with those strategies. In the absence of further information (which you are welcome to supply), I'm inclined to say that what clovis pointed out indeed is a contradiction.

Back on topic, I really don't understand why this is such a big argument. Trying to reasonably determine which strategy is stronger is going to go exactly nowhere, as the years of arguing by top players about strategies on this forum amply demonstrates. Just have the game log what strategies players play the most often and boost/nerf the ones that are used not often enough or too often for varied play. In this situation, statistics is probably a much stronger argument than throwing about random facts about the tactics suited for each strategy.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:52

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 07:37

4. Where did i get "rekt" by blitz? Where is the proof of this? Just because soldie/clovis etc say it to troll me does not make it true. It makes you look silly using it in an argument. In fact i was still beating the majority of the blitz users. I played beserok blitz ukr many times. Think he only beat me once in 5 tries.

Impressive if you've managed to dominate BeSerok 4 out of 5 games (you did not, I just checked). I've also applauded you in that thread for having a positive W:L ratio against Soldier, one of my hardest opponents. Was it after or before the movement dilution theory? Don't know but well done either way.

ah you forced me to go fact check. If you counted through my duels why couldnt you have been nice enough to provide the numbers for me? Oh because it would've went against your whole contrarian agenda thing. I won 2 out of 6 vs beserok. But one of those losses was in west where i was(you guessed it) blitz rushed. He was blitz in all our games. I still dominated him though.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:52

Did you just said that gw and imperialist are meant to be "expansion stealer"?

Also, blitz was the pre-gw on Africa. Old Afterwind players used it before GW due to it's militia range. You cant really point a strategy being good on it's niche as a reason to Nerf it.

Read my post again. What i said was pretty clear.

And are you for real? Old afterwind players new to the game playing blitz africa lol. Africa is not and never was a blitz niche. Even at - 1 defence it still wasnt great but it could cause big problems for gw specifically on slowroll. It was hilarious to do. I recently beat someone with ds in 3k. Does that make 3k a ds niche? nooooo. Its just making the right moves in the right situation.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 08:52

You'd need around 1.5x more troops than PD can get in order to it being "better". Even then, PD infantries would still get the battle stacking bonus due to the att/def value being considered more than the numbers. 50 PD inf would defend better than 100 Blitz militias in this case.




I would do a little test stacking Kiev with both Blitz and PD against a PD Turkey Rush... but then you would claim that I didnt played the strat "efficiently enough".. So how about if we do this test together?

Actually no, those tests are completely irrelevant to how blitz performs on defence with a general. The general has a huge effect in this case as +1 def and hp is extremely significant to to 3 def militia(the def more than the hp). How about we do the tests before you start making assumptions on my reactions to the results?

Im having nostalgic feelings in this topic... i should just start yelling how "one guy is soooo raping the other on the forum" ...just to piss the other guy

נכתב על ידי International, 04.04.2016 at 09:33

I believe the idea is that clovis finds ridiculous your assertion that you can play "all the strategies" to perfect efficiency, when you "never" use certain strategies and therefore have no observations of your own performance with those strategies. In the absence of further information (which you are welcome to supply), I'm inclined to say that what clovis pointed out indeed is a contradiction.

Back on topic, I really don't understand why this is such a big argument. Trying to reasonably determine which strategy is stronger is going to go exactly nowhere, as the years of arguing by top players about strategies on this forum amply demonstrates. Just have the game log what strategies players play the most often and boost/nerf the ones that are used not often enough or too often for varied play. In this situation, statistics is probably a much stronger argument than throwing about random facts about the tactics suited for each strategy.

Actually no, read my post again. I was talking about using blitz and duels and not hw or lb. It is pedantic nitpicking by clovis in order to find contradictions to undermine my post. It is pathetic but he always pulls this kind of nonsense. Also note how these guys are all upvoting each other too. Its pretty funny.

But yes the strategy statistics are obviously recorded. It would be great to see them displayed.

It would be a stronger argument but to an experienced player who understands how hp att def and crit work and interact with each other, you give them an entirely new strat and they would be able to theorise pretty effectively how well it will work in game. Unless ofc it is wildly different and introduces different mechanics.

I've probably played hw a handful of times. Awful strat. Lb quite a bit more but never competitively.

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 04.04.2016 at 09:49

Im having nostalgic feelings in this topic... i should just start yelling how "one guy is soooo raping the other on the forum" ...just to piss the other guy

please do, im stuck on a train for another hour and need entertainment.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:56

please do, im stuck on a train for another hour and need entertainment.

LOL LAO GOT RKT!!!! CRY MOR!!!!

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 04.04.2016 at 10:00

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:56

please do, im stuck on a train for another hour and need entertainment.

LOL LAO GOT RKT!!!! CRY MOR!!!!

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:46

ah you forced me to go fact check. If you counted through my duels why couldnt you have been nice enough to provide the numbers for me? Oh because it would've went against your whole contrarian agenda thing.I won 2 out of 6 vs beserok. But one of those losses was in west where i was(you guessed it) blitz rushed. He was blitz in all our games. I still dominated him though.

INB4

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 21.02.2016 at 12:42

nope unfortunately for you the english language is extremely flexible. It was obvious what i was referring to.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 10:07

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:46

ah you forced me to go fact check. If you counted through my duels why couldnt you have been nice enough to provide the numbers for me? Oh because it would've went against your whole contrarian agenda thing.I won 2 out of 6 vs beserok. But one of those losses was in west where i was(you guessed it) blitz rushed. He was blitz in all our games. I still dominated him though.

INB4

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 21.02.2016 at 12:42

nope unfortunately for you the english language is extremely flexible. It was obvious what i was referring to.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:53

It is pedantic nitpicking by clovis in order to find contradictions to undermine my post. It is pathetic but he always pulls this kind of nonsense. Also note how these guys are all upvoting each other too. Its pretty funny.

Laochra, you are just rekting yourself by your own posts. You always make a direct contradiction to your main fact. If you won 2 out of 6 games, then how you dominated somebody? Rushes are so easily to be predicted, especially if you played him more than once.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 04.04.2016 at 10:42

Laochra, you are just rekting yourself by your own posts. You always make a direct contradiction to your main fact. If you won 2 out of 6 games, then how you dominated somebody? Rushes are so easily to be predicted, especially if you played him more than once.

He has done a lapsus calami. Actually he lost 2 of 6 (which is still not making someone superb to others).
Shit happens

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 04.04.2016 at 10:00

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:56

please do, im stuck on a train for another hour and need entertainment.

LOL LAO GOT RKT!!!! CRY MOR!!!!

Do you remember when we gangbanged you on the strategy topic because you wrote a word wrong? We're doing the same here

Okay,

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:46

ah you forced me to go fact check. If you counted through my duels why couldnt you have been nice enough to provide the numbers for me? Oh because it would've went against your whole contrarian agenda thing.

I did. Croat also did. Our comments are nearly in the bottom of 1st page.

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נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:46

And are you for real? Old afterwind players new to the game playing blitz africa lol. Africa is not and never was blablalwawalelaawa fallafel waffel

נכתב על ידי Sificvoid, 07.12.2010 at 12:04

Since I'm getting these militia for free and its difficult to get any sizeable income in parts like africa and south america, I have actually been using the blitzkrieg strat so that I can use those militia as offensive units. This either kills them, giving me more money for offensive units such as tanks, or I take cities with them, increasing my income. I think the guerilla warfare strat has some considerable weight and would love to see something like this implemented.

His comment made a lot of sense. There were others but I don't remember exactly on which thread.

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נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 09:46

Actually no, those tests are completely irrelevant to how blitz performs on defence with a general. The general has a huge effect in this case as +1 def and hp is extremely significant to to 3 def militia(the def more than the hp). How about we do the tests before you start making assumptions on my reactions to the results?

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On the bottom line I pretty much spot here:

נכתב על ידי The Tactician, 06.01.2016 at 04:13

As for blitz, I agree it needs a boost. It's absolutely horrible for slowrolling, can't hold anything it takes. I play blitz a fair amount actually, but when I end up being blitz Volga in 5k 3v1ing some newbs using RA I don't stand a chance even though I have full Russia. It's really fun to play, but has no value in the default map, or most maps for that matter.

נכתב על ידי The Tactician, 21.12.2015 at 02:17

I get that it's not really supposed to be a slowroll strat, and I'm not asking for that, but I'm asking for it to be able to continue hitting and running without getting decimated to a few tanks or helis.

I'd love to see back the blitz that Cthulhu spoken once. The one that relies on walls.... the recent defensive lines upgrades might open the door for an appropriated boost to blitzkrieg, though right now it's very risky to mess around with.

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 04.04.2016 at 10:49

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 10:47

Do you remember when we gangbanged you on the strategy topic because you wrote a word wrong? We're doing the same here

you obviously didnt inderstand my comedy when i pretended to mock lao

Lao said it right btw. you guys pedanticly nitpick what you respond too.

Btw. International sometimes basically doesnt say shit... but he suger coats it with pretentious like sentences.

Sooooo goblin what do you think about Blitzkrieg?

I'm in a hurry now, might reply later...

נכתב על ידי Zenith, 04.04.2016 at 07:58

נכתב על ידי Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

How is this done?

Not seeing an answer yet, bumping my question.

נכתב על ידי Zenith, 04.04.2016 at 11:20

נכתב על ידי Zenith, 04.04.2016 at 07:58

נכתב על ידי Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

How is this done?

Not seeing an answer yet, bumping my question.

Croat can probably give a better answer than me, but its not to hard. Mostly a normal turn one taking the balkans plus the little countries because every troop counts. Turn two spam inf/milita and get them into Instanbul/varna. Then turn three you can rush with that huge stack because PD milita can reach Kiev with general.

נכתב על ידי Prometheus, 04.04.2016 at 11:58

נכתב על ידי Zenith, 04.04.2016 at 11:20

נכתב על ידי Zenith, 04.04.2016 at 07:58

נכתב על ידי Croat, 04.04.2016 at 03:58

Hey, you've forgotten to nerf PD, Turk PD can put 120 on Kiev already at turn 3 and what's the reason you still didn't ruin it?

How is this done?

Not seeing an answer yet, bumping my question.

Croat can probably give a better answer than me, but its not to hard. Mostly a normal turn one taking the balkans plus the little countries because every troop counts. Turn two spam inf/milita and get them into Instanbul/varna. Then turn three you can rush with that huge stack because PD milita can reach Kiev with general.

I tested PD rushing on Kiev minus walls for balkans, Greece, ankara and stuff... was something like 115 mixed. Others have managed similar.

Check this link http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=12147&topicsearch=&page=3

Same story with RA i beat acquise with it 2-3 times in a row in 5k and the next thing you know is he made his post about why we need to nerf RA pfft
guys like him and lao think they are gods in this game and if someone beat them their strat deffinitly was the reason they won.

honestly.
fuck off

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 04.04.2016 at 11:08

Sooooo goblin what do you think about Blitzkrieg?

Oh i will tell you what i think... i learned it from a wise wise aw strategiest lol

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 16.09.2015 at 08:22

After some though I conclude that doing the range maneuvers turns a lot easier with the boosted range than with the other strategies.

Remember this topic http://hr.atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=21654

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 04.04.2016 at 12:41

Same story with RA i beat acquise with it 2-3 times in a row in 5k and the next thing you know is he made his post about why we need to nerf RA pfft
guys like him and lao think they are gods in this game and if someone beat them their strat deffinitly was the reason they won.

honestly.
fuck off

RA is fine... If it's soo op soo it will be most popular in 5k like pd in 10k...
Nobody think we have to nerf PD....

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 04.04.2016 at 12:41

Same story with RA i beat acquise with it 2-3 times in a row in 5k and the next thing you know is he made his post about why we need to nerf RA pfft
guys like him and lao think they are gods in this game and if someone beat them their strat deffinitly was the reason they won.

honestly.
fuck off

Well to be fair, had you ever beaten acquiesce 2-3 times in a row with any other strat? Rhetorical question, we know the answer .

10 attack tanks with a gen at 90 cost. Yea not op at all. Feckin acquiesce didnt he realise he was playing a GODOFWAR.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 13:25

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 04.04.2016 at 12:41

Same story with RA i beat acquise with it 2-3 times in a row in 5k and the next thing you know is he made his post about why we need to nerf RA pfft
guys like him and lao think they are gods in this game and if someone beat them their strat deffinitly was the reason they won.

honestly.
fuck off

Well to be fair, had you ever beaten acquiesce 2-3 times in a row with any other strat? Rhetorical question, we know the answer .

10 attack tanks with a gen at 90 cost. Yea not op at all. Feckin acquiesce didnt he realise he was playing a GODOFWAR.

i wont even try ever since you changed the strats that me and other people like goblin played you just made the game favor your style of strats,your game-play.

i was merely pointing out the real reason you changed the strats is because you lost to players which in your mind there is no way they can be better than you....

thanks for proving my point

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 04.04.2016 at 14:30

i wont even try ever since you changed the strats that me and other people like goblin played you just made the game favor your style of strats,your game-play.

i was merely pointing out the real reason you changed the strats is because you lost to players which in your mind there is no way they can be better than you....

thanks for proving my point

Well ok you're very welcome

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 04.04.2016 at 14:37

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 04.04.2016 at 14:30

i wont even try ever since you changed the strats that me and other people like goblin played you just made the game favor your style of strats,your game-play.

i was merely pointing out the real reason you changed the strats is because you lost to players which in your mind there is no way they can be better than you....

thanks for proving my point

Well ok you're very welcome

no your welcome

Fuk clovis

נכתב על ידי Guest, 04.04.2016 at 16:28

Fuk clovis

Fuk u 2

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 04.04.2016 at 10:49

Btw. International sometimes basically doesnt say shit... but he suger coats it with pretentious like sentences.

I am rather similar to a western politician in the sense that I sometimes take a long time to use a lot of words saying that which, in the end, means precisely nothing. I'm afraid that this is an old habit of mine, which I never quite lost, that I first formed when I was just starting to learn English. I often had to discuss for minutes in my classes when I had neither the vocabulary nor the grammatical understanding to creatively express complex ideas in the English language but still had to impress the instructor in those few minutes.

Stop opening threads about blitz, we did it twice in the past and they nerfed both times, we don't want a 3rd nerf...

נכתב על ידי Guest, 10.04.2016 at 13:56

Stop opening threads about blitz, we did it twice in the past and they nerfed both times, we don't want a 3rd nerf...

Nice bump

What if we gave blitz another 10% wall size to compansate for it terrible defence? Something alon the lines of that could bring blitz back into signifigance.