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Make a poll and lets see what the community wants to nerf.
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How about this?
Remove the +1 attack to tanks.
Add +3 range and -1 defense to bombers.
It's not really a nerf (I think RA would still be as strong) to RA, but it's definitely a nerf to RA tanks.
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נכתב על ידי Azula., 10.07.2015 at 05:02
Make a poll and lets see what the community wants to nerf.
Remove -10 cost for tanks in all strategies... its cost is ridiculous compared to bombers and helicopters.
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נכתב על ידי Goblin, 10.07.2015 at 07:12
נכתב על ידי Azula., 10.07.2015 at 05:02
Make a poll and lets see what the community wants to nerf.
Remove -10 cost for tanks in all strategies... its cost is ridiculous compared to bombers and helicopters.
lol so true
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נכתב על ידי Goblin, 10.07.2015 at 07:12
נכתב על ידי Azula., 10.07.2015 at 05:02
Make a poll and lets see what the community wants to nerf.
Remove -10 cost for tanks in all strategies... its cost is ridiculous compared to bombers and helicopters.
10/10 thats atwar dictatorship ^^
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No support. Sorry but I don't think ra is that OP.
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No support. Sorry but I don't think ra is that OP.
Agreed. Let's just play and have fun.
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I think the biggest problem is that the RA tanks cost 90, which is the same amount as IMP tanks. We all know RA nails IMP in any single way, no denying that. Especially since 90% of the RA players pick countries like ukraine/poland etc. Low cost countries with decent reinforcements. That combo is just heartbreaking. If you are saying RA isn't op right now, than thats probably on you, but the strategy RA compared to almost all strategies is straight out OP.
RA basically made GC as a strategy useless, while alot of people made threads about strategies that needed boosts which included GC. Well this is certainly not how to make it.
As for saying we should make a poll to see what the ''community'' wants. Will be 100% unfair. Especially the people who came with the idea about a poll etc, always knew a way to kind of scam that poll. They will most likely pr their clanmembers and probably random people just to vote ''RA is fine right now'' and then use that as ''voice of community''.
(spoken out of experience)
I think blitz should've never got boosted and nerfed after that at all. Same goes for RA right now, I think after RA gets boosted/nerfed (whatever floats your boat) you guys should stop changing every couple months the strategies and maybe look at the strategies which havent been changed for years.. like GC/LB/DS/ (HW new).
For those who say ''RA is fine right now, stop complaining'' are plain straight hypocrites. They are afraid of losing their strategy that gives them a slight advantage so skills aren't really needed. (directed to the players who play RA 24/7, bcs otherwise they cant win)
inb4 clovis quoting me with bullshit again
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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 11:28
I think the biggest problem is that the RA tanks cost 90, which is the same amount as IMP tanks. We all know RA nails IMP in any single way, no denying that. Especially since 90% of the RA players pick countries like ukraine/poland etc. Low cost countries with decent reinforcements. That combo is just heartbreaking. If you are saying RA isn't op right now, than thats probably on you, but the strategy RA compared to almost all strategies is straight out OP.
RA basically made GC as a strategy useless, while alot of people made threads about strategies that needed boosts which included GC. Well this is certainly not how to make it.
As for saying we should make a poll to see what the ''community'' wants. Will be 100% unfair. Especially the people who came with the idea about a poll etc, always knew a way to kind of scam that poll. They will most likely pr their clanmembers and probably random people just to vote ''RA is fine right now'' and then use that as ''voice of community''.
(spoken out of experience)
I think blitz should've never got boosted and nerfed after that at all. Same goes for RA right now, I think after RA gets boosted/nerfed (whatever floats your boat) you guys should stop changing every couple months the strategies and maybe look at the strategies which havent been changed for years.. like GC/LB/DS/ (HW new).
For those who say ''RA is fine right now, stop complaining'' are plain straight hypocrites. They are afraid of losing their strategy that gives them a slight advantage so skills aren't really needed. (directed to the players who play RA 24/7, bcs otherwise they cant win)
inb4 clovis quoting me with bullshit again
ra is espensive but sky menacne> ra
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RA is fine as it is
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Are we done with this yet???
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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 11:28
I think the biggest problem is that the RA tanks cost 90, which is the same amount as IMP tanks. We all know RA nails IMP in any single way, no denying that. Especially since 90% of the RA players pick countries like ukraine/poland etc. Low cost countries with decent reinforcements. That combo is just heartbreaking. If you are saying RA isn't op right now, than thats probably on you, but the strategy RA compared to almost all strategies is straight out OP.
RA basically made GC as a strategy useless, while alot of people made threads about strategies that needed boosts which included GC. Well this is certainly not how to make it.
As for saying we should make a poll to see what the ''community'' wants. Will be 100% unfair. Especially the people who came with the idea about a poll etc, always knew a way to kind of scam that poll. They will most likely pr their clanmembers and probably random people just to vote ''RA is fine right now'' and then use that as ''voice of community''.
(spoken out of experience)
I think blitz should've never got boosted and nerfed after that at all. Same goes for RA right now, I think after RA gets boosted/nerfed (whatever floats your boat) you guys should stop changing every couple months the strategies and maybe look at the strategies which havent been changed for years.. like GC/LB/DS/ (HW new).
For those who say ''RA is fine right now, stop complaining'' are plain straight hypocrites. They are afraid of losing their strategy that gives them a slight advantage so skills aren't really needed. (directed to the players who play RA 24/7, bcs otherwise they cant win)
inb4 clovis quoting me with bullshit again
you do realise gc has been boosted twice this past year. It is actually good now, people havent yet realised.
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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 11:28
I think the biggest problem is that the RA tanks cost 90, which is the same amount as IMP tanks. We all know RA nails IMP in any single way, no denying that. Especially since 90% of the RA players pick countries like ukraine/poland etc. Low cost countries with decent reinforcements. That combo is just heartbreaking. If you are saying RA isn't op right now, than thats probably on you, but the strategy RA compared to almost all strategies is straight out OP.
RA basically made GC as a strategy useless, while alot of people made threads about strategies that needed boosts which included GC. Well this is certainly not how to make it.
As for saying we should make a poll to see what the ''community'' wants. Will be 100% unfair. Especially the people who came with the idea about a poll etc, always knew a way to kind of scam that poll. They will most likely pr their clanmembers and probably random people just to vote ''RA is fine right now'' and then use that as ''voice of community''.
(spoken out of experience)
I think blitz should've never got boosted and nerfed after that at all. Same goes for RA right now, I think after RA gets boosted/nerfed (whatever floats your boat) you guys should stop changing every couple months the strategies and maybe look at the strategies which havent been changed for years.. like GC/LB/DS/ (HW new).
For those who say ''RA is fine right now, stop complaining'' are plain straight hypocrites. They are afraid of losing their strategy that gives them a slight advantage so skills aren't really needed. (directed to the players who play RA 24/7, bcs otherwise they cant win)
inb4 clovis quoting me with bullshit again
you do realise gc has been boosted twice this past year. It is actually good now, people havent yet realised.
Boosted? What exactly? It is not noticeable at all.
There should be really a forum just for only this... http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19042
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Here's a suggestion:
#1: Tanks remain, with 4 defence. But, they will have -1 def in cities
#2: You can all debate about 8 attack or 9 attack. But tanks could get a crit boost, and the collateral of tanks increased or something. That way, when tanks capture cities, it will be harder to add more tanks to your army (it also makes the person fighting ra weaker since they capture the weak cities but :/ i'm not an expert on this stuff, just giving an possibility)
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נכתב על ידי Guest, 10.07.2015 at 20:52
#2: You can all debate about 8 attack or 9 attack. But tanks could get a crit boost, and the collateral of tanks increased or something. That way, when tanks capture cities, it will be harder to add more tanks to your army (it also makes the person fighting ra weaker since they capture the weak cities but :/ i'm not an expert on this stuff, just giving an possibility)
I didn't even think about it, but... this is brilliant.
+10 collateral to tanks and bombers will seriously mess with RA's ability to recruit.
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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 11:28
I think the biggest problem is that the RA tanks cost 90, which is the same amount as IMP tanks. We all know RA nails IMP in any single way, no denying that. Especially since 90% of the RA players pick countries like ukraine/poland etc. Low cost countries with decent reinforcements. That combo is just heartbreaking. If you are saying RA isn't op right now, than thats probably on you, but the strategy RA compared to almost all strategies is straight out OP.
RA basically made GC as a strategy useless, while alot of people made threads about strategies that needed boosts which included GC. Well this is certainly not how to make it.
As for saying we should make a poll to see what the ''community'' wants. Will be 100% unfair. Especially the people who came with the idea about a poll etc, always knew a way to kind of scam that poll. They will most likely pr their clanmembers and probably random people just to vote ''RA is fine right now'' and then use that as ''voice of community''.
(spoken out of experience)
I think blitz should've never got boosted and nerfed after that at all. Same goes for RA right now, I think after RA gets boosted/nerfed (whatever floats your boat) you guys should stop changing every couple months the strategies and maybe look at the strategies which havent been changed for years.. like GC/LB/DS/ (HW new).
For those who say ''RA is fine right now, stop complaining'' are plain straight hypocrites. They are afraid of losing their strategy that gives them a slight advantage so skills aren't really needed. (directed to the players who play RA 24/7, bcs otherwise they cant win)
inb4 clovis quoting me with bullshit again
you do realise gc has been boosted twice this past year. It is actually good now, people havent yet realised.
dummy i notice how good gc and ukraine is i almost beat u with it
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Just played RA with France, yesterday i played with Germany, day before with UK...
And its fucking hilarious how overpowered it is even with this high cost countries, so you all can stop with your bullshit about it "being fine"... i understand people like to believe its them who are actually raping with their skills, but get real.
Remove both cost boosts for RA tanks... their cost is ridiculous.
EDIT: forgot to say... let's all remember why the boost was made in the first place?
It wasn't made because RA was a weak strategy... it was solely made because it wasn't played much in "competitive games" and tanks were not used as much as infantry.
That was a wrong reason to boost a strategy that was viable and strong on so many different settings.
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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 17:01
נכתב על ידי Waffel, 10.07.2015 at 11:28
you do realise gc has been boosted twice this past year. It is actually good now, people havent yet realised.
Boosted? What exactly? It is not noticeable at all.
There should be really a forum just for only this... http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=19042
I agree with waffel
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Imp is also useless against RA in duels. I can guarantee players with similar levels of playing, with one playing imp and another RA, that RA will be best of the two - in my experience at least.
RA can slow roll (but really just spam tanks, ahem), easy recap when capped, and just dulls the gameplay because even when imp has higher rein 10 tanks can take ~20 inf if not more. And this is not considering that it is only imp Turk with very high rein: other countries like imp Italy or imp germ is useless because it can't even produce as much as turk
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נכתב על ידי Guest, 11.07.2015 at 15:40
Imp is also useless against RA in duels. I can guarantee players with similar levels of playing, with one playing imp and another RA, that RA will be best of the two - in my experience at least.
RA can slow roll (but really just spam tanks, ahem), easy recap when capped, and just dulls the gameplay because even when imp has higher rein 10 tanks can take ~20 inf if not more. And this is not considering that it is only imp Turk with very high rein: other countries like imp Italy or imp germ is useless because it can't even produce as much as turk
Exactly! Hell, the same happens to IF. No matter how much inf and tanks you make RA still produces more to suicide on you (because that's all they do, rush) and then when your inf hold they just make some more tanks. I'm not saying there's no counter, but the counter is a bigger difference of skill than it should be. Meaning someone with just lesser skill than I do would beat me 3.5/5 times with RA. It's a ONE UNIT strat, at least nerf tank cost and give bombers/destroyers a boost to fit the theme.
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In my experiance (in large map) R.A is useless vs imp, as PD and imp as useless vs IF.
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But when I was playing Don as RA poland, I had all balkans, benelux, scandinavia, but he hold all my wave of tanks until I eventually had no reinf and he capped me...
That's cause you're not the same level of playing. Don is better
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נכתב על ידי Goblin, 11.07.2015 at 14:10
Just played RA with France, yesterday i played with Germany, day before with UK...
And its fucking hilarious how overpowered it is even with this high cost countries, so you all can stop with your bullshit about it "being fine"... i understand people like to believe its them who are actually raping with their skills, but get real.
Remove both cost boosts for RA tanks... their cost is ridiculous.
EDIT: forgot to say... let's all remember why the boost was made in the first place?
It wasn't made because RA was a weak strategy... it was solely made because it wasn't played much in "competitive games" and tanks were not used as much as infantry.
That was a wrong reason to boost a strategy that was viable and strong on so many different settings.
it's either they were noob or you was pro
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RA weaker then lots of strats no support
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נכתב על ידי America., 11.07.2015 at 22:05
RA weaker then lots of strats no support
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נכתב על ידי Htin, 11.07.2015 at 21:49
it's either they were noob or you was pro
zone almost beat mauz with ra uk, as long as youre not found out t1 it can be pretty evil.
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You are all full of shit ... and to the guy above no one here can say tirpitz is a noob.
He drowned my general and 14 troops... i caped him with noobiest rush.
he recaped ...i caped again with another nooby rush.
no skills involved just raw power with stupidly cheap overpowered unit.
In the end i gave him a draw since it feelt like a pathetic, unfair win.
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נכתב על ידי Azula., 12.07.2015 at 04:22
נכתב על ידי America., 11.07.2015 at 22:05
RA weaker then lots of strats no support
How about instead of posting useless comments and make it seem like a lot of people don't support this revamp (which a lot don't, but just because they can't play anything else [I should say a lot of skilled people, perhaps] ) you give explanations and reasons as to why RA is 'weaker' than lots of strats...
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נכתב על ידי Azula., 12.07.2015 at 04:22
נכתב על ידי America., 11.07.2015 at 22:05
RA weaker then lots of strats no support
How about instead of posting useless comments and make it seem like a lot of people don't support this revamp (which a lot don't, but just because they can't play anything else [I should say a lot of skilled people, perhaps] ) you give explanations and reasons as to why RA is 'weaker' than lots of strats...
Thats the point tact, those people can only say '' stop cry'' ''stop taking our strategies'' '' it is not strong, you guys cant win vs it'' '' you guys are against us so thats why you want to nerf the strategies''
If only those people could explain themselfs for once then maybe, maybe we would didn't had these kind of long boring-ish forum with only quotes with small almost nothing that matters in it.
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How about instead of posting useless comments and make it seem like a lot of people don't support this revamp (which a lot don't, but just because they can't play anything else [I should say a lot of skilled people, perhaps] ) you give explanations and reasons as to why RA is 'weaker' than lots of strats...
I already grave the explanation. So did we in the other threads.
You know what happened? The people who support this revamp decline to argue with us, calling us all "Trolls" and "You know nothing, leave this to the expert" and those type of comments. In fact, If this thread had came a little before, then you would see the same thing here. We grave arguments, you guys declined to face them. Even now, most of the guys who support this revamp are offering inflexible changes, that according to them is an axiom and cannot be debated.
The very minimal we can do here is to show our disagreement, do not ask us for argument anymore (even though you don't have the fault of this).
Some sources to justify my answer here.
1) We fairy won the poll. The majority of the community support RA to stay as it is. http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20004
2) A pretty good part of the community is sick of RA topics: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20079
3) Most of the new threads about RA were made by players who wanted to push a nerf.
Let this thread be a shinning example of how is way better to make a topic than posting on a old one.
second one: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20100
third one: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20004
fourth one: http://atwar-game.com/forum/topic.php?topic_id=20117
How much threads did we made? Just one. and I add it with his name:
Admins dont change strats before listening to the community!
and I will even go further to quote the 1st comment content:
נכתב על ידי Azula., 18.06.2015 at 15:49
I feel it comming. Just like they did with blitz. Some guys cry over an 'op strat' and a couple of mods support this and make sure it gets nerfed. So no. Ivan amok most of us dont want a nerf of RA!! All strats are fine and most of us just want that everything will be kept as it is now!
If you read all those posts, you will find exactly what I said. That most of our proposal were disqualified just because we disagree with you guys, heck, even I would negotiate a -1 def on tanks but I proposed it to Pulse, and he still want to push a -2 defense. Then you say you guys are trying to debate? No sir, what you guys are trying here is to push a Nerf.
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