BB Lao

We had good relations in many aw seasons, nice games/cws/even insults, here through many years.

After some time we both become fags about some things, and that resulted to thar good relations become cold. But still iim sure there is still much more goood memories and things then bad ones.

Aw will lose more then you will. After u quit it. This game cant replace some players and that hole becoming bigger every day.

For sue you didnt deserved to got called "son of bich" by new master of atwar.

For me this is sad news, and idk how long will some other old players (including me) stay here.


For the end : fuck you crier, troll and bitch <8.

Good riddance maybe this time for good.

I agree.

I am sure Dave and Laochra could've worked perfectly fine with each other if they didn't start off on the wrong foot. Such a shame that a person who has helped the game advance and improve on so many aspects goes out like this. First the drama with the demotion/resigning, he seemed to finally get over that unrighteous act, and now this.

All I have to say is that I hope that he will return, if not, like mauzer said, I think it will have an impact on the (older) players.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 22.03.2019 at 17:06

I agree.

I am sure Dave and Laochra could've worked perfectly fine with each other if they didn't start off on the wrong foot. Such a shame that a person who has helped the game advance and improve on so many aspects goes out like this. First the drama with the demotion/resigning, he seemed to finally get over that unrighteous act, and now this.

All I have to say is that I hope that he will return, if not, like mauzer said, I think it will have an impact on the (older) players.

he said he was leaving ?

נכתב על ידי Kaska, 22.03.2019 at 17:13

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 22.03.2019 at 17:06

I agree.

I am sure Dave and Laochra could've worked perfectly fine with each other if they didn't start off on the wrong foot. Such a shame that a person who has helped the game advance and improve on so many aspects goes out like this. First the drama with the demotion/resigning, he seemed to finally get over that unrighteous act, and now this.

All I have to say is that I hope that he will return, if not, like mauzer said, I think it will have an impact on the (older) players.

he said he was leaving ?

He left tournament games, so I think its pretty safe to say that he had the intention to quit.

You got me tearing up mp, you are a poet bro

I cant understand any of that

WHAT HAPPENED!!!!???

נכתב על ידי Mauzer Panteri, 22.03.2019 at 16:54

For me this is sad news, and idk how long will some other old players (including me) stay here.

why don't you just make us happy with a Goodbye.

נכתב על ידי Conscious Huarck, 22.03.2019 at 19:54

נכתב על ידי Mauzer Panteri, 22.03.2019 at 16:54

For me this is sad news, and idk how long will some other old players (including me) stay here.

why don't you just make us happy with a Goodbye.

There is no need for feuding amongst older players, we're a dying breed.

Can we not act like Laochra is some kind of god in this game? Yeah he has experience and stuff but believe me when I say the game won't die because he is leaving or once again claims he will. I repsect his time as mod and all of his actions and I've showed that to him many times.

The arguement between Dave and Lao was that intense because they both are strong characters and won't back off easily if they know they're right. Lao can be arrogant, ego-centric and challenging and Dave does not like these characteristics, on which I support him.

The fact that he's an admin does not mean he can't argue or insult players. Yeah it would be better if he didn't but still.

I mean ffs if you search lao in forum you will see more than 15 threads dedicated to all of his dramas. Chill the F out.

נכתב על ידי Cold Case, 23.03.2019 at 03:36

Can we not act like Laochra is some kind of god in this game? Yeah he has experience and stuff but believe me when I say the game won't die because he is leaving or once again claims he will. I repsect his time as mod and all of his actions and I've showed that to him many times.

The arguement between Dave and Lao was that intense because they both are strong characters and won't back off easily if they know they're right. Lao can be arrogant, ego-centric and challenging and Dave does not like these characteristics, on which I support him.

The fact that he's an admin does not mean he can't argue or insult players. Yeah it would be better if he didn't but still.

I mean ffs if you search lao in forum you will see more than 15 threads dedicated to all of his dramas. Chill the F out.

U dont like anyone who doesnt agree with u
And if hes an admin mean he need to be professional u are a fucking r****d
Remember why lao got demoted ? Oh ya he was rude against scenario player
gG dont quote me cc or roast incoming

נכתב על ידי Froyer, 23.03.2019 at 03:47

U dont like anyone who doesnt agree with u
And if hes an admin mean he need to be professional u are a fucking r****d
Remember why lao got demoted ? Oh ya he was rude against scenario player
gG dont quote me cc or roast incoming

Froyer you shouldn't be talking mate. You don't know me and you will never do. Even if you wanted you couldn't.

So I suggest you to sit down quietly while the grown ups talk. You know nothing about Lao as well. You have became known just because you act like an idiot im every thread you see.

נכתב על ידי Cold Case, 23.03.2019 at 04:02

נכתב על ידי Froyer, 23.03.2019 at 03:47

U dont like anyone who doesnt agree with u
And if hes an admin mean he need to be professional u are a fucking r****d
Remember why lao got demoted ? Oh ya he was rude against scenario player
gG dont quote me cc or roast incoming

So I suggest you to sit down quietly while the grown ups talk.

How old are you?

What will illy do...

נכתב על ידי Cold Case, 23.03.2019 at 03:36

Can we not act like Laochra is some kind of god in this game? Yeah he has experience and stuff but believe me when I say the game won't die because he is leaving or once again claims he will. I repsect his time as mod and all of his actions and I've showed that to him many times.

The arguement between Dave and Lao was that intense because they both are strong characters and won't back off easily if they know they're right. Lao can be arrogant, ego-centric and challenging and Dave does not like these characteristics, on which I support him.

The fact that he's an admin does not mean he can't argue or insult players. Yeah it would be better if he didn't but still.

I mean ffs if you search lao in forum you will see more than 15 threads dedicated to all of his dramas. Chill the F out.

You might not like the adoration of Lao, and it will most likely feed his ego, but believe me when I say that most of it is justified.

Lao meant a huge deal for this game, not only as a player, not only as a competitive player, not only as an ex-mod, but mostly as a person who has helped advance this game throughout the years. Sure lao is stronlgy opinionated and Dave is probably aswell, and thats most likely the whole reason they didn't get along, but I think its more the fact how it happened. Lao got shit on for months by Clovis because he ''did go hard on some players'', and after Amok and Ivan's absence he eventually got sacked by Clovis for that ridiculous reason, especially if you compare this to the recent comments coming from the admins/mods. You would say that after Clovis' reasoning, there would be some kind of precedent/measurement for the behaviour of mods and admins.

Lao was probably one of the few, if not the only, mod that has been constructive for the last couple of years when it comes to improving this game. At the time it was verry popular to do ''constructive'' things in order to get promoted to mod. People just started doing ''constructive'' things and after they got promoted to moderator they stopped doing constructive things for aw, as if they had reached their goal. You yourself has said that this has happened and that those people did those things just for their own benefits. If you compare this to what Lao has done before and during his mod-time AND even after his modtime, you should understand the ''public outburst'' of Lao's potential leaving. Not to mention that Lao's whole forum-history has been erased and he is perma-muted in game & forums, as if the dude never existed in the first place. I think thats quite saddening and pretty ungrateful for all the things he has done for this game.

So thats why Mauz, and I think he is right, says that the game will probably lose more than Lao will if he leaves, since people like Lao who wants the best for the game are what this game needs in order to become succesfull (if that is ever going to happen). I mean if this comes from the 2 persons that are on his ignorelist, what does that say about him?

#JusticeForLaochra

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 06:08

נכתב על ידי Cold Case, 23.03.2019 at 03:36

Can we not act like Laochra is some kind of god in this game? Yeah he has experience and stuff but believe me when I say the game won't die because he is leaving or once again claims he will. I repsect his time as mod and all of his actions and I've showed that to him many times.

The arguement between Dave and Lao was that intense because they both are strong characters and won't back off easily if they know they're right. Lao can be arrogant, ego-centric and challenging and Dave does not like these characteristics, on which I support him.

The fact that he's an admin does not mean he can't argue or insult players. Yeah it would be better if he didn't but still.

I mean ffs if you search lao in forum you will see more than 15 threads dedicated to all of his dramas. Chill the F out.

You might not like the adoration of Lao, and it will most likely feed his ego, but believe me when I say that most of it is justified.

Lao meant a huge deal for this game, not only as a player, not only as a competitive player, not only as an ex-mod, but mostly as a person who has helped advance this game throughout the years. Sure lao is stronlgy opinionated and Dave is probably aswell, and thats most likely the whole reason they didn't get along, but I think its more the fact how it happened. Lao got shit on for months by Clovis because he ''did go hard on some players'', and after Amok and Ivan's absence he eventually got sacked by Clovis for that ridiculous reason, especially if you compare this to the recent comments coming from the admins/mods. You would say that after Clovis' reasoning, there would be some kind of precedent/measurement for the behaviour of mods and admins.

Lao was probably one of the few, if not the only, mod that has been constructive for the last couple of years when it comes to improving this game. At the time it was verry popular to do ''constructive'' things in order to get promoted to mod. People just started doing ''constructive'' things and after they got promoted to moderator they stopped doing constructive things for aw, as if they had reached their goal. You yourself has said that this has happened and that those people did those things just for their own benefits. If you compare this to what Lao has done before and during his mod-time AND even after his modtime, you should understand the ''public outburst'' of Lao's potential leaving. Not to mention that Lao's whole forum-history has been erased and he is perma-muted in game & forums, as if the dude never existed in the first place. I think thats quite saddening and pretty ungrateful for all the things he has done for this game.

So thats why Mauz, and I think he is right, says that the game will probably lose more than Lao will if he leaves, since people like Lao who wants the best for the game are what this game needs in order to become succesfull (if that is ever going to happen). I mean if this comes from the 2 persons that are on his ignorelist, what does that say about him?

#JusticeForLaochra

Wait, Lao is ban ?

נכתב על ידי Kaska, 23.03.2019 at 06:42

Wait, Lao is ban ?

Read...

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 06:08

Not to mention that Lao's whole forum-history has been erased and he is perma-muted in game & forums, as if the dude never existed in the first place. I think thats quite saddening and pretty ungrateful for all the things he has done for this game.

נכתב על ידי Kaska, 23.03.2019 at 06:42

Wait, Lao is ban ?

Lao has received a permanent mute with immediate effect for "spreading poison" and "incapable of listening to reason".

This has shown what Dave really is. We should submit, obey and move on.

Maybe now we can fix blitz and get all the blitz players to come back.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 06:08

נכתב על ידי Cold Case, 23.03.2019 at 03:36

#JusticeForLaochra

This game does not need lao or anyone like lao.
This game needs a solid administration with fresh ideas how to keep the game interesting and have it make him money.
People like lao think they own shares in AW just because they invested time in it.
No one forced any of you to invest your time
And just because you did you dont get to call any shots

This is not only about lao but about the fact that you people think you have a right to talk to dave like hes one of your clan mates.
Show the guy some deserved respect.
He owns a business and is here to make money.
You should appreciate the fact he even answers questions and talks on forum.
I wouldnt let anyone talk to me like that irl.
And people like Lao or king alois did just that.

For you guys this is just a game, for Dave its RL.
-GOW

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 23.03.2019 at 07:01

Maybe now we can fix blitz and get all the blitz players to come back.

Fuck off Gow, you know how much I like you, but this is just personal now.

He might have his ideologies of whats good and bad, but Lao usualy knew what he was talking about when it came to strategy balancing. If you'd take a look at what people suggested, it would've been the end of actual gameplay in this game. Be grateful Lao atleast put his energy in these kind of projects for the sake of the game, instead of own benificial gameplay like alot of people proposed for.

I wish it wouldn't have reached this state, but it happened and that's what it is. Let's move on and stop mentioning this drama, because I don't want it to diminish Dave's motivation to be involved in the community. Hopefully they'll work things out from this point.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 07:09

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 23.03.2019 at 07:01

Maybe now we can fix blitz and get all the blitz players to come back.

Fuck off Gow, you know how much I like you.

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 23.03.2019 at 07:07

This game does not need lao or anyone like lao.
This game needs a solid administration with fresh ideas how to keep the game interesting and have it make him money.
People like lao think they own shares in AW just because they invested time in it.
No one forced any of you to invest your time
And just because you did you dont get to call any shots

This is not only about lao but about the fact that you people think you have a right to talk to dave like hes one of your clan mates.

Your first two sentences are contradicting each other, just blinded by hatred.

Sure, you're right about the fact that some of us saw them selves above others, and that is wrong I agree. But Lao didn't deserve to be called out like that, imo, I think it was just in the heat of the moment.

Tho look at the picture that is being potrayed at this moment. A person who has invested his energy and time over the past years, took a huge active part of the moderation squad, a squad that was pretty much dead at the moment and the admins not really caring at the same time, trying to meet expectation from different communities, even finding a suitable scenario moderator, hosting tournaments (and I could go on..) getting publicly crucified in forums & gamechats and getting his whole history erased and being permanently muted on all chats in game.

I dont really think that sets as a good precedent to have people invest their time and actively help on improving this game. Believe me when I say, that I honestly think Dave is doing a tremendous good job when it comes to improving this game, making it more active and being so transparent with the community about every move he makes. Though I do believe that he shouldn't have done to Lao what he did and was imo a huge mistake. Sure Lao can be a pain in the ass when you disagree with him, but most of the times you can try to just talk it out in a civilized manner.

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 23.03.2019 at 07:16

I wish it wouldn't have reached this state, but it happened and that's what it is. Let's move on and stop mentioning this drama, because I don't want it to diminish Dave's motivation to be involved in the community. Hopefully they'll work things out from this point.

You are right, and thats not what I am trying to do. All I am trying to do is get those two stubborn (boys ) work it out and hopefully work together in the future. Would be a good thing for AW.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 07:25

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 23.03.2019 at 07:07

This game does not need lao or anyone like lao.
This game needs a solid administration with fresh ideas how to keep the game interesting and have it make him money.
People like lao think they own shares in AW just because they invested time in it.
No one forced any of you to invest your time
And just because you did you dont get to call any shots

This is not only about lao but about the fact that you people think you have a right to talk to dave like hes one of your clan mates.

Your first two sentences are contradicting each other, .

Thats the problem.
You see Lao equal to an admin.
I never said this game needs players investing time and effort.

נכתב על ידי Dragon, 23.03.2019 at 06:50

נכתב על ידי Kaska, 23.03.2019 at 06:42

Wait, Lao is ban ?

Lao has received a permanent mute with immediate effect for "spreading poison" and "incapable of listening to reason".

This has shown what Dave really is. We should submit, obey and move on.

Bro i really think lao pissed dave too much and Dave over reacted.

Probably time will solve things so my position is everyone shlould remain cool, the sanctions wont be permanent i hope

נכתב על ידי 1GodofWar1, 23.03.2019 at 07:48

Thats the problem.
You see Lao equal to an admin.
I never said this game needs players investing time and effort.

No, the problem is you denying any positive thing Lao has done due to your personal problems with him ''ruining'' your favourite strat.

Lao used to be a mod for years, so therefore he was part of the administration. Mod and admins go hand in hand when it comes to new ideas and execution.
So maybe stop wordfucking right now, since you know what I meant with that, instead of drawing conclusions..

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 23.03.2019 at 06:08

You might not like the adoration of Lao, and it will most likely feed his ego, but believe me when I say that most of it is justified.

Lao meant a huge deal for this game, not only as a player, not only as a competitive player, not only as an ex-mod, but mostly as a person who has helped advance this game throughout the years. Sure lao is stronlgy opinionated and Dave is probably aswell, and thats most likely the whole reason they didn't get along, but I think its more the fact how it happened. Lao got shit on for months by Clovis because he ''did go hard on some players'', and after Amok and Ivan's absence he eventually got sacked by Clovis for that ridiculous reason, especially if you compare this to the recent comments coming from the admins/mods. You would say that after Clovis' reasoning, there would be some kind of precedent/measurement for the behaviour of mods and admins.

Lao was probably one of the few, if not the only, mod that has been constructive for the last couple of years when it comes to improving this game. At the time it was verry popular to do ''constructive'' things in order to get promoted to mod. People just started doing ''constructive'' things and after they got promoted to moderator they stopped doing constructive things for aw, as if they had reached their goal. You yourself has said that this has happened and that those people did those things just for their own benefits. If you compare this to what Lao has done before and during his mod-time AND even after his modtime, you should understand the ''public outburst'' of Lao's potential leaving. Not to mention that Lao's whole forum-history has been erased and he is perma-muted in game & forums, as if the dude never existed in the first place. I think thats quite saddening and pretty ungrateful for all the things he has done for this game.

So thats why Mauz, and I think he is right, says that the game will probably lose more than Lao will if he leaves, since people like Lao who wants the best for the game are what this game needs in order to become succesfull (if that is ever going to happen). I mean if this comes from the 2 persons that are on his ignorelist, what does that say about him?

#JusticeForLaochra

Laochra has done nothing more than any of us. We all have been a part of strategy changes and have pushed admins to make them happen. We have all tried to gather the information amd all the suggestions to get a more clear view on what the community desires. However Laochra had a thing for ignoring everything and doing his own thing apart from some exceptions. He would only listen to 1-2 players and no one else.

It's our fault he was acting like that because we fed his ego, made him think he's viable and super important for the game to grow, well let me just say he wasn't. Anyone can do what he did. You have even convinced yourself to think he was the reason the game is where it is.

Yes I can agree some bad decisions had been made regarding his mod carreer but that doesn't mean anything. Another story where his ego was fully boosted. I had some arguements with him as well but never stopped respecting him as a mod nor as a player. He thought otherwise. Not my fault.