AtWar community nowadays

Seriously, this is becoming a mental disease. 99% of AtWar players play the same map on same settings all over, the whole day. And they talk shit about other maps like "they're unbalanced", "they're shitty" and bla bla bla while they have never played them. No matter the RP, scenario, EU, custom map or whatever kind of players, almost everybody is the same. What the fuck?

Also, I must say that players' IQ and logics is goddamn high. There are 50 people in lobby. Imagine if 18 of them told me "that map will never fill up without noobs" and I never fill up a 19 players game.

YES! YOU GOT IT! Games will never fill up if everybody just say "it will never fill up, bye".

Yeah, but that Hawaii map sucked ass

Njab, i love your profile pic...you are almost human

But most of them are unbalanced, and they are shitty.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 11:07

But most of them are unbalanced, and they are shitty.

You are clearly being part of that 99%. You can't even bring up 1 argument why are they such and you can't even tell 1 way on how to improve them, eh?

Poor njab, ive realised this long time ago.

Thats why we have EU+ fags, wwi fags, RP fags, ancient fags.........only a few people are part of the all arround master race that plays all! (RP excluded)

Njab I guess you are talking about ultimate world war 2. I find it funny that you should raise this issue because not long back I was playing china, you were russia east against el as manchu. I was raping japan everywhere until you left that game. This resulted in my getting raped by manchu since he was fully free. I wouldn't have expected you defeat machu but you should have stayed just to keep manchu away from me until I am finished off japan. So I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Also thing about ultimate world war 2 compared to other scenarios is that its much harder hence you must find capable players playing important countries. This isn't like ancient or RP or GOT or UN . This is arguably the best scenario out there. So when you don't have many high rankers online it can be hard to fill. Trust me this has been 3 years ago as well. I have also seen ultimate world war 2 getting filled very quickly in the past when enough high rank players are there.

This question is a trap I think...

נכתב על ידי minusSeven, 10.02.2016 at 13:12

Can you make me laugh more? Japan, Naval Japan and Manchuria all attacked me at once (so Japan couldn't do shit to you) and West Russia already lost all land, so I literally was surrounded from all sides but from south and Manchuria was 2 turns away from my cap, not like it'd make much difference to you and our team lost overall anyway. And do not tell me how to fill up a WW2, I literally got 10 same PMs from high rank scenario players when I tried to fill it up -- "it never fills up, it always fails, bla bla bla".

נכתב על ידי Evic, 10.02.2016 at 12:50

It'd have been good if we had that few fags, but there are many more.

נכתב על ידי Helly, 10.02.2016 at 14:16

You've already been trapped Hellie.

This is the best poll ever.

I agree people are idiots they play maps they actually like, this is such a foolish attitude !!! They have to spend lots of time and effort to learn maps that the great leader Njab like, and the community will improve immediately
Death to Eur+, Death to Ancient, hail to Pokemon
Edit: in order to balance the poll I voted Yes

נכתב על ידי Kraigg, 10.02.2016 at 15:44

Don't make me start another discussion about autism. By playing 1 map over and over you earn almost no skill and you become mentally unable to play anything but that.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 10.02.2016 at 15:57

נכתב על ידי Kraigg, 10.02.2016 at 15:44

Don't make me start another discussion about autism. By playing 1 map over and over you earn almost no skill and you become mentally unable to play anything but that.

You are almost as funny as Phoenix Njab

נכתב על ידי Guest, 10.02.2016 at 11:25

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 11:07

But most of them are unbalanced, and they are shitty.

You are clearly being part of that 99%. You can't even bring up 1 argument why are they such and you can't even tell 1 way on how to improve them, eh?

i could repeat myself but why bother, its all been said before.

נכתב על ידי Evic, 10.02.2016 at 12:50

Poor njab, ive realised this long time ago.

Thats why we have EU+ fags, wwi fags, RP fags, ancient fags.........only a few people are part of the all arround master race that plays all! (RP excluded)

> master race

i played you in a tourney game recently with no strats. We were both playing none which is essentially an expensive strategy. You completely let me drive you out of the money areas and werent taking the full country bonuses of countries like scandi. It was overall a pretty average effort. Theres no use playing all these maps if you can't realise that an expensive strategy needs money and the significance of a 20% income boost to a country with 400 income.

Play all the maps you like, but please don't delude yourselves into thinking you are good. You might be by scenario players standards. But overall youve a lot to learn. And you won't learn it playing the players you do on the maps you do. But by all means, delude yourselves further by pouring scorn on the most diverse map relevant to the strategies on atwar.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 16:12

נכתב על ידי Guest, 10.02.2016 at 11:25

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 11:07

But most of them are unbalanced, and they are shitty.

You are clearly being part of that 99%. You can't even bring up 1 argument why are they such and you can't even tell 1 way on how to improve them, eh?

i could repeat myself but why bother, its all been said before.

נכתב על ידי Evic, 10.02.2016 at 12:50

Poor njab, ive realised this long time ago.

Thats why we have EU+ fags, wwi fags, RP fags, ancient fags.........only a few people are part of the all arround master race that plays all! (RP excluded)

> master race

i played you in a tourney game recently with no strats. We were both playing none which is essentially an expensive strategy. You completely let me drive you out of the money areas and werent taking the full country bonuses of countries like scandi. It was overall a pretty average effort. Theres no use playing all these maps if you can't realise that an expensive strategy needs money and the significance of a 20% income boost to a country with 400 income.

Play all the maps you like, but please don't delude yourselves into thinking you are good. You might be by scenario players standards. But overall youve a lot to learn. And you won't learn it playing the players you do on the maps you do. But by all means, delude yourselves further by pouring scorn on the most diverse map relevant to the strategies on atwar.

All hail the great Lao !!

I never say that 20 players game never fills up. I always say they fail in 5 turns because as soon as somebody messes up or loses, everyone on the same team will quit because they dont want to play a game that they possibly lose.

Ww2 is not worth playing without full high ranks in both sides, anything less and you will find it too cringe

With Pavle and Corrambo, every community becomes autist

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 16:12

> master race

i played you in a tourney game recently with no strats. We were both playing none which is essentially an expensive strategy. You completely let me drive you out of the money areas and werent taking the full country bonuses of countries like scandi. It was overall a pretty average effort. Theres no use playing all these maps if you can't realise that an expensive strategy needs money and the significance of a 20% income boost to a country with 400 income.

Play all the maps you like, but please don't delude yourselves into thinking you are good. You might be by scenario players standards. But overall youve a lot to learn. And you won't learn it playing the players you do on the maps you do. But by all means, delude yourselves further by pouring scorn on the most diverse map relevant to the strategies on atwar.

if i remember the game was on EU+ 10k, given the fact i played like 10 of these games in my AW "career" and you played.........well of your games are from there i guess i dont think i did bad, certainly much better then average EU player ever did on a scenario in that little plays.

You may think otherwise but there isnt much to learn on EU+, its all straightforward, you can only imporove certain things a bit or change something a bit, no real groundbreaking alternations can be made to gameplay.

Also, being excellant on 1 map < being good (even mediocre) on the rest

נכתב על ידי Evic, 10.02.2016 at 18:18

i dont think i did bad, certainly much better then average EU player ever did on a scenario in that little plays.

The first time I played WWI I killed East Germany as Russia long before revolution, and he was a rank 8 or 9 scenario player if I'm not mistaken.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 11:07

But most of them are unbalanced, and they are shitty.

You're unbalanced

נכתב על ידי TheRiddler, 10.02.2016 at 22:05

Don't make me laugh. You played in the same team as Aetius against some noobs...

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 16:12

> master race

i played you in a tourney game recently with no strats. We were both playing none which is essentially an expensive strategy. You completely let me drive you out of the money areas and werent taking the full country bonuses of countries like scandi. It was overall a pretty average effort. Theres no use playing all these maps if you can't realise that an expensive strategy needs money and the significance of a 20% income boost to a country with 400 income.

Play all the maps you like, but please don't delude yourselves into thinking you are good. You might be by scenario players standards. But overall youve a lot to learn. And you won't learn it playing the players you do on the maps you do. But by all means, delude yourselves further by pouring scorn on the most diverse map relevant to the strategies on atwar.

Ok master Lao, fellow Untermenschen is sorry for not taking Umea and Tromso the same turn as Oslo and Stockholm.

נכתב על ידי ROYAL, 10.02.2016 at 16:38

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 10.02.2016 at 16:50

Read the last part of post. If 10 high ranks say "it never fills up, it always fails", will it really fill up and not fail? Now you got it (hopefully).

נכתב על ידי Guest, 11.02.2016 at 02:22

נכתב על ידי TheRiddler, 10.02.2016 at 22:05

Don't make me laugh. You played in the same team as Aetius against some noobs...

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 10.02.2016 at 16:12

> master race

i played you in a tourney game recently with no strats. We were both playing none which is essentially an expensive strategy. You completely let me drive you out of the money areas and werent taking the full country bonuses of countries like scandi. It was overall a pretty average effort. Theres no use playing all these maps if you can't realise that an expensive strategy needs money and the significance of a 20% income boost to a country with 400 income.

Play all the maps you like, but please don't delude yourselves into thinking you are good. You might be by scenario players standards. But overall youve a lot to learn. And you won't learn it playing the players you do on the maps you do. But by all means, delude yourselves further by pouring scorn on the most diverse map relevant to the strategies on atwar.

Ok master Lao, fellow Untermenschen is sorry for not taking Umea and Tromso the same turn as Oslo and Stockholm.

נכתב על ידי ROYAL, 10.02.2016 at 16:38

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 10.02.2016 at 16:50

Read the last part of post. If 10 high ranks say "it never fills up, it always fails", will it really fill up and not fail? Now you got it (hopefully).

In all seriousness lao is right... very few maps are balanced... but like, when did anyone really give a fuck about balance more than having fun? I'd rather play westeros than bloody eu anyday... EU is about refining skills, not enjoying the game

נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 11.02.2016 at 02:39

EU isn't balanced either on any setting, so I don't know what weed is Lao using.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 11.02.2016 at 02:42

נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 11.02.2016 at 02:39

EU isn't balanced either on any setting, so I don't know what weed is Lao using.

It is on 10k... every pick has a fairly balanced counter... its defined as "the most balanced map in the game" so even though not perfectly balanced, it's as good as it really gets without making a mirrored map.... Thats why CW's are played on there.

5k is fairly balanced too, Poland, Ukraine, Greece are all fairly interchangeable depending on strategy selection... even belarus and serbia can be played when using strong but expensive strats like DS/SM/IF.

3k minus Serbia is also pretty fair... Belarus vs Austria is as balanced as it gets and even when someone picks Serbia a win can come down to strat selection and the way players expand...

Laochra is just a bit of a map snob cause he thinks players that dont learn on eu suck balls.. which is right.. But there are amazing players that started out on stuff like ancient inc zone, ferlucci RaulPB yada yada yada... but the key to being really good is refining skills in eu... simply because there are so many strong players there that force you to become better if you want to beat them... But theres more to the game than winning medals and CW's....

(I'm in a really good mood today)

נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 11.02.2016 at 02:39

EU is about refining skills, not enjoying the game

speak for yourself, a good cw with my clanmates is about the only enjoyment i find on this game these days.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 11.02.2016 at 02:42

נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 11.02.2016 at 02:39

EU isn't balanced either on any setting, so I don't know what weed is Lao using.

its not perfectly balanced, but it has a fantastic dynamic. And it is the only map we have that contains the full range of income zones/city desities and the right amount of water that we can get competitive uses out of all the strategies. It is also the right size so games dont tend to be long.

Take chess' map dreamworld for example. Nice map but it has too much water and lacks high income low rein countries like scandi/benlux/switz/ireland. Also he focused the income in the center. The excess water makes strategies like gw unusable and nc/imp/pd more powerful. The lack of high income low rein cities makes it difficult for expensive strats like mos/sm because theyve soo many neutrals to chew through to get any decent income. Also the high income center favours close quarter strats like pd/iron fist.

Any competitive map needs to follow this

- Smart geographical features to encourage usage of transports
- Port city ratio is about 1:4

The diversity of regions enriches the game play on the EU+ map. Make sure you include the following regions:

- High income, High reinforcements, medium/high density (Germany, France, UK, Rus. Central)
- High income, low reinforcements, low/medium density (Norway, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland)
- Medium income, low/medium reinforcements, low density (Russia... )
- Medium income, High reinforcements, medium density (Spain, Italy, Ukraine)
- Low/medium income, medium reinforcements, medium/high density (Greece, Poland, Serbia, Romania, Belarus, Austria)
- Low income, high reinforcements, high density (Turkey)
- Low income, low/medium reinforcements, high density (aka Balkan countries/ former yugoslavia or capital only countries)
- Low income, low/medium reinforcements, periphereal (Iceland, Portugal, Ireland, Azerbajan...)

But few do. This is why another map hasnt been found, it is very difficult to get right.

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 11.02.2016 at 04:07

נכתב על ידי Phoenix, 11.02.2016 at 02:39

EU is about refining skills, not enjoying the game

speak for yourself, a good cw with my clanmates is about the only enjoyment i find on this game these days.

Play a ww1 with us

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 11.02.2016 at 04:07

All things you are talking about are result of ultimate autism of you and guys similar to you, overspending time to make it perfect for such autism and also complete dedication to such map. Current situation of EU+ is result of that, not of perfection by itself. Then somehow, you and other autists talk how other maps are shitty and unbalanced while you don't even bother to change them to be different.

The community can be molded according to the interest of the other people. That it is autism only means that those who control it are autism. I personally think it is great atm, because you're allowed to play anything you want. And... if playing one specific map is what will keep people stuck to the game, then I don't see why no. Rather have "fags" playing one single map than having none of them.

The reason about why there are more "eu fags" than other specific zone is another topic of discussion.

@The ongoing Eu vs Scenario argument...

We did won the poll which praised that Scenario players are more adaptive. I would expect scenario players to perform at least decent against Europe players, something that was partially show from the hand of players like AlphaB . But there was still a question, or better say facts, that we can't simply eat up. Most of the competitions in custom maps were won by Europe players, not players who played the map regularly.

And there wasn't a lack of ancient players when Stryko, a no-regular ancient player won that #1 Trophy in the Ancient Tournament.

If scenario players have to play different zones of income, to deal with events, to somehow outplay the opponent, and of course they know more than anyone else how important is 1 teammate... Why do we see that Europe players are still stronger when it comes to competitions like Tournaments?

The answer is given by the argument that Desu grave long ago ( that feel when you realize the irony).

נכתב על ידי Desu, 21.11.2013 at 05:38

My first point that I will try to describe is that the ones that play 3vs3's or 1vs1's on the standard map learn at a higher level. Learning on the standard map, be it eu+, eurasia, or even world, has its benefits. They play against, play with, and watch higher ranked players micromanage units for 100% efficiency and learn what is possible. Competitive clans teach their new players and lower ranks how to use and get the most out of every viable strategy.

If you play better players, you will simply become better. That is a fact. With the release of custom maps, Europe already had a core of "strong" players which generated more strong players on a infinite loop.... Custom maps "strong" players were mostly Europe "strong" players who though that the map was fun and started to play there. Just a couple of "strong" players in one specific custom map or scenario came because he played it from the beginning and though it was fun.

Then, you've got Europe players that even though they play the same map, they still learn concepts such as TurnBlock, maneuvers, chaining, airdrops, tactics, gameplay, simply because they play against a player who knows those concepts better. In scenarios, where you have such a great diversity of zones of income, events, units to use, and more, if you play it against the same noobs you'll barely learn anything from it. The effect happens on scenarios, but on a much minor scale.