Response to witch doctor

I don't want to derail the other thread so I'm going to respond to you in this thread.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 27.12.2018 at 16:53

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 27.12.2018 at 06:13

There are a lot of bugs in the game that have become an integral part of the strategy, such as turn blocking,

Ok can we stop this here. Who the hell told you turn blocking is a bug. Turn blocking is a very well known GAME MECHANIC and people can give actual percentages for each tb and calculate the best way to get a tb or to avoid tbs. I will rip my hair out if I hear another person say turn blocking is a bug.

If there was no turn blocking in atwar, there's nothing stopping people from buying only tanks and never defending. What's the point of defending when you can just spam tanks and attack. Don't even say you can attack the tanks because in a world with no tbs, you will never be able to hit enemy units.

You registered almost a year and a half after the last update to turnblocks. Back then it was possible to turnblock indefinite number of units in 1 stack with 1 unit, not with 50% but almost 100% if it was your first move and your opponents second move. A lot of people complained about it, some quit because of it, eventually they worked up a method that included percentages and other calculations to determine a tb instead of removing it, because it became part of the game's strategy. And I've heard from people who spoke with amok about it saying amok said it was an unintended bug, one of them was the ex mod safari. If I'm not wrong I saw amok saying it himself.

Turnblocks update
Second update

I really dont know why you defend confirmed hackers like bugs in other thread.

נכתב על ידי Nations, 29.12.2018 at 07:39

I really dont know why you defend confirmed hackers like bugs in other thread.

The game right now can't afford losing its active players, their forced leave will have some affect on the activity of some part of the community. And because what Bugs did wasn't known as a punishable bug before, and he was banned before being warned not to do the thing that he got banned for, because he had a long history something I can relate to.

Bugs has abused multiple bugs.Do you remember him in his early days making you his ally using bugs and then allycaping your 0s? I do.He also probably used more bugs like unut production stuff and city income stuff.I prefer playing alone rather than with someone like bugs.Also reaching paris from london with no AT is something that can change whole game and yes it is a bug.Abusing bugs means punishment.
Lastly he always got weird rolls and many tbs.

נכתב על ידי Nations, 29.12.2018 at 08:01

Bugs has abused multiple bugs.Do you remember him in his early days making you his ally using bugs and then allycaping your 0s? I do.He also probably used more bugs like unut production stuff and city income stuff.I prefer playing alone rather than with someone like bugs.Also reaching paris from london with no AT is something that can change whole game and yes it is a bug.Abusing bugs means punishment.
Lastly he always got weird rolls and many tbs.

He deservedly got banned for the things you mentioned, but this time I think it wasn't deserved. He followed the rules up until that point. Played many clan wars and duels this season alone and I think 3 months ban is too much.

Hdrakon is right about turn block, but xbugs deserves to be banned for cheating

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 07:52

נכתב על ידי Nations, 29.12.2018 at 07:39

I really dont know why you defend confirmed hackers like bugs in other thread.

The game right now can't afford losing its active players, their forced leave will have some affect on the activity of some part of the community. And because what Bugs did wasn't known as a punishable bug before, and he was banned before being warned not to do the thing that he got banned for, because he had a long history something I can relate to.

"The game right now can't afford losing its active players". This must be a joke. This game already lost most of its active players. Why are you valuing just 1 player? It's not going to bring back all the players that left AW.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 29.12.2018 at 13:08

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 07:52

נכתב על ידי Nations, 29.12.2018 at 07:39

I really dont know why you defend confirmed hackers like bugs in other thread.

The game right now can't afford losing its active players, their forced leave will have some affect on the activity of some part of the community. And because what Bugs did wasn't known as a punishable bug before, and he was banned before being warned not to do the thing that he got banned for, because he had a long history something I can relate to.

"The game right now can't afford losing its active players". This must be a joke. This game already lost most of its active players. Why are you valuing just 1 player? It's not going to bring back all the players that left AW.

I'm not valuing 1 player over others. He's an active player who wants to play but can't because he's banned. I can't bring the ones who left or change their mind because they choose to leave. Anyway, the point of this thread was to respond to witch doctor, I'm not going to talk about Bugs here anymore.

Its beyond me when people don't understand that it started off as an unintended glitch that eventually turned into a handy feature. They seem to get the wrong idea and start stating how bad the game would be without it.

Turn blocking is not cheating.
However..."shortcuts" on EU are.

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 06:38

I don't want to derail the other thread so I'm going to respond to you in this thread.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 27.12.2018 at 16:53

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 27.12.2018 at 06:13

There are a lot of bugs in the game that have become an integral part of the strategy, such as turn blocking,

Ok can we stop this here. Who the hell told you turn blocking is a bug. Turn blocking is a very well known GAME MECHANIC and people can give actual percentages for each tb and calculate the best way to get a tb or to avoid tbs. I will rip my hair out if I hear another person say turn blocking is a bug.

If there was no turn blocking in atwar, there's nothing stopping people from buying only tanks and never defending. What's the point of defending when you can just spam tanks and attack. Don't even say you can attack the tanks because in a world with no tbs, you will never be able to hit enemy units.

You registered almost a year and a half after the last update to turnblocks. Back then it was possible to turnblock indefinite number of units in 1 stack with 1 unit, not with 50% but almost 100% if it was your first move and your opponents second move. A lot of people complained about it, some quit because of it, eventually they worked up a method that included percentages and other calculations to determine a tb instead of removing it, because it became part of the game's strategy. And I've heard from people who spoke with amok about it saying amok said it was an unintended bug, one of them was the ex mod safari. If I'm not wrong I saw amok saying it himself.

Turnblocks update
Second update

Ok but to continue to call turn blocking a bug despite the new and updated turnblock rules would be INTENTIONALLY misleading people. Amok/ivan originally programmed it to be 50% tb regardless of move order or stack size. The game executed exactly as they programmed, I fail to see how this is a BUG. A BUG is when they programmed it to be 50% tb and then it never tbs at all or tbs 100% of the time which clearly wasn't the case.

You can also stop trying to flex your "I'm an old player superiority complex." I did play atwar during the days of 1 unit tb and flower power walls so idk why you feel the need to mention the age of this account.

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 06:38

I don't want to derail the other thread so I'm going to respond to you in this thread.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 27.12.2018 at 16:53

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 27.12.2018 at 06:13

There are a lot of bugs in the game that have become an integral part of the strategy, such as turn blocking,

Ok can we stop this here. Who the hell told you turn blocking is a bug. Turn blocking is a very well known GAME MECHANIC and people can give actual percentages for each tb and calculate the best way to get a tb or to avoid tbs. I will rip my hair out if I hear another person say turn blocking is a bug.

If there was no turn blocking in atwar, there's nothing stopping people from buying only tanks and never defending. What's the point of defending when you can just spam tanks and attack. Don't even say you can attack the tanks because in a world with no tbs, you will never be able to hit enemy units.

You registered almost a year and a half after the last update to turnblocks. Back then it was possible to turnblock indefinite number of units in 1 stack with 1 unit, not with 50% but almost 100% if it was your first move and your opponents second move. A lot of people complained about it, some quit because of it, eventually they worked up a method that included percentages and other calculations to determine a tb instead of removing it, because it became part of the game's strategy. And I've heard from people who spoke with amok about it saying amok said it was an unintended bug, one of them was the ex mod safari. If I'm not wrong I saw amok saying it himself.

Turnblocks update
Second update

It was a bug when 1 unit turn blocks was a thing, he turned it into a feature afterwards based on number of units used to attack.

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 13:58

Turn blocking is not cheating.
However..."shortcuts" on EU are.

Tell us more! Oh great one what would we do without your useless opinions.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 29.12.2018 at 13:20

Its beyond me when people don't understand that it started off as an unintended glitch that eventually turned into a handy feature. They seem to get the wrong idea and start stating how bad the game would be without it.

Yah I'm well aware trystane because I've been playing the game before the tb update as well. Can you stop pretending that I'm just some newbie on the scene?

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 29.12.2018 at 14:29

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 06:38

I don't want to derail the other thread so I'm going to respond to you in this thread.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 27.12.2018 at 16:53

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 27.12.2018 at 06:13

There are a lot of bugs in the game that have become an integral part of the strategy, such as turn blocking,

Ok can we stop this here. Who the hell told you turn blocking is a bug. Turn blocking is a very well known GAME MECHANIC and people can give actual percentages for each tb and calculate the best way to get a tb or to avoid tbs. I will rip my hair out if I hear another person say turn blocking is a bug.

If there was no turn blocking in atwar, there's nothing stopping people from buying only tanks and never defending. What's the point of defending when you can just spam tanks and attack. Don't even say you can attack the tanks because in a world with no tbs, you will never be able to hit enemy units.

You registered almost a year and a half after the last update to turnblocks. Back then it was possible to turnblock indefinite number of units in 1 stack with 1 unit, not with 50% but almost 100% if it was your first move and your opponents second move. A lot of people complained about it, some quit because of it, eventually they worked up a method that included percentages and other calculations to determine a tb instead of removing it, because it became part of the game's strategy. And I've heard from people who spoke with amok about it saying amok said it was an unintended bug, one of them was the ex mod safari. If I'm not wrong I saw amok saying it himself.

Turnblocks update
Second update

Ok but to continue to call turn blocking a bug despite the new and updated turnblock rules would be INTENTIONALLY misleading people. Amok/ivan originally programmed it to be 50% tb regardless of move order or stack size. The game executed exactly as they programmed, I fail to see how this is a BUG. A BUG is when they programmed it to be 50% tb and then it never tbs at all or tbs 100% of the time which clearly wasn't the case.

You can also stop trying to flex your "I'm an old player superiority complex." I did play atwar during the days of 1 unit tb and flower power walls so idk why you feel the need to mention the age of this account.

I didn't say it was still a bug, I meant it was a bug in the beginning but now is an indispensable part of the strategy. It was a bug because according to what I heard it was never supposed to work the way it did or at all. And I'm not trying to flex anything, chill, I assumed you might not know because the account you're using registered a year after the last update.

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 14:54

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 29.12.2018 at 14:29

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 06:38

I don't want to derail the other thread so I'm going to respond to you in this thread.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 27.12.2018 at 16:53

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 27.12.2018 at 06:13

There are a lot of bugs in the game that have become an integral part of the strategy, such as turn blocking,

Ok can we stop this here. Who the hell told you turn blocking is a bug. Turn blocking is a very well known GAME MECHANIC and people can give actual percentages for each tb and calculate the best way to get a tb or to avoid tbs. I will rip my hair out if I hear another person say turn blocking is a bug.

If there was no turn blocking in atwar, there's nothing stopping people from buying only tanks and never defending. What's the point of defending when you can just spam tanks and attack. Don't even say you can attack the tanks because in a world with no tbs, you will never be able to hit enemy units.

You registered almost a year and a half after the last update to turnblocks. Back then it was possible to turnblock indefinite number of units in 1 stack with 1 unit, not with 50% but almost 100% if it was your first move and your opponents second move. A lot of people complained about it, some quit because of it, eventually they worked up a method that included percentages and other calculations to determine a tb instead of removing it, because it became part of the game's strategy. And I've heard from people who spoke with amok about it saying amok said it was an unintended bug, one of them was the ex mod safari. If I'm not wrong I saw amok saying it himself.

Turnblocks update
Second update

Ok but to continue to call turn blocking a bug despite the new and updated turnblock rules would be INTENTIONALLY misleading people. Amok/ivan originally programmed it to be 50% tb regardless of move order or stack size. The game executed exactly as they programmed, I fail to see how this is a BUG. A BUG is when they programmed it to be 50% tb and then it never tbs at all or tbs 100% of the time which clearly wasn't the case.

You can also stop trying to flex your "I'm an old player superiority complex." I did play atwar during the days of 1 unit tb and flower power walls so idk why you feel the need to mention the age of this account.

I didn't say it was still a bug, I meant it was a bug in the beginning but now is an indispensable part of the strategy. It was a bug because according to what I heard it was never supposed to work the way it did or at all. And I'm not trying to flex anything, chill, I assumed you might not know because the account you're using registered a year after the last update.

He likes to pretend hes the account royal from back then

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:58

He likes to pretend hes the account royal from back then

ROYAL is my alt account.

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 15:02

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:58

He likes to pretend hes the account royal from back then

ROYAL is my alt account.

Then you knows hes lying lol

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 15:02

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:58

He likes to pretend hes the account royal from back then

ROYAL is my alt account.

This was one of the account I played with before the tb update. I have many more that I couldn't bother recovering. So can we stop acting like witch-doctor never knew what the game mechanics were like in the past.

נכתב על ידי Firehawk, 29.12.2018 at 15:06

נכתב על ידי Abraham, 29.12.2018 at 15:02

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:58

He likes to pretend hes the account royal from back then

ROYAL is my alt account.

This was one of the account I played with before the tb update. I have many more that I couldn't bother recovering.

I didn't deny you were playing before the turnblock updates I just responded to hellraiser that royal is my alt.

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:43

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 13:58

Turn blocking is not cheating.
However..."shortcuts" on EU are.

Tell us more! Oh great one what would we do without your useless opinions.

*Useful facts, and sure np

If i found a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK vertically it would be considered a cheat, so finding a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK horizontally should also be considered cheating. Truly is as simple as that. Any snooker/pool player cannot cut through a "snooker", he must find a way to go around it. strategically and creatively, If landmass is in the way of a boat then you must go around the land with the boat. Its as simple as that. You shouldn't be able to cut across a no go zone and claim its strategy, if so, whats the point in defense lines in this game? to go around them?, hit them?...or...Step over them??? See? No go zones are there for a reason.

Now im all for the natural shortcuts in the eu map, just not the unnatural and bizarre ones

When I was a new player at atwar, watching another player movement in a turn, I thought something like "how the fuck he can do that, he is hacking" and then later on I realize it is just air trans movement + unit movement (and there is also blitz). let's make clear distinct definition which one is hacking, which one is just a trick.


long time ago I watched youtube videos about atwar, at that time most of atwar videos was only by knez, and I learn this (I think this one is well known trick, isn't it?)





at the end, is this cases about hacking or just some movement that another player didn't expect that? because when I see community tab, you guys keep talking about this hacking hacking and baned banned thing.

*if image didn't shown, 'open image in new tab'

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 16:54

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 15:09

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:43

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 13:58

Turn blocking is not cheating.
However..."shortcuts" on EU are.

Tell us more! Oh great one what would we do without your useless opinions.

*Useful facts, and sure np

If i found a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK vertically it would be considered a cheat, so finding a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK horizontally should also be considered cheating. Truly is as simple as that. Any snooker/pool player cannot cut through a "snooker", he must find a way to go around it. strategically and creatively, If landmass is in the way of a boat then you must go around the land with the boat. Its as simple as that. You shouldn't be able to cut across a no go zone and claim its strategy, if so, whats the point in defense lines in this game? to go around them?, hit them?...or...Step over them??? See? No go zones are there for a reason.

Now im all for the natural shortcuts in the eu map, just not the unnatural and bizarre ones

Nope you are litterally the only autistic who has ever came up with this garbage your litterally a meme bro.

Then whats the point in playing on map that has borders? Why not king of the hill for a CW?

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 17:06

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 16:54

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 15:09

נכתב על ידי Helly, 29.12.2018 at 14:43

נכתב על ידי DeepFriedUnicorn, 29.12.2018 at 13:58

Turn blocking is not cheating.
However..."shortcuts" on EU are.

Tell us more! Oh great one what would we do without your useless opinions.

*Useful facts, and sure np

If i found a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK vertically it would be considered a cheat, so finding a way to cut across the no go zone in the UK horizontally should also be considered cheating. Truly is as simple as that. Any snooker/pool player cannot cut through a "snooker", he must find a way to go around it. strategically and creatively, If landmass is in the way of a boat then you must go around the land with the boat. Its as simple as that. You shouldn't be able to cut across a no go zone and claim its strategy, if so, whats the point in defense lines in this game? to go around them?, hit them?...or...Step over them??? See? No go zones are there for a reason.

Now im all for the natural shortcuts in the eu map, just not the unnatural and bizarre ones

Nope you are litterally the only autistic who has ever came up with this garbage your litterally a meme bro.

Then whats the point in playing on map that has borders? Why not king of the hill for a CW?

Ignorant question you know why, because of diverse land scape, economic centers and production. If this goes through it will break every single scenario ever made that has a river in it. Alot of the map makers are gone and wont update them. Your single handedly pursuing the death of this game on some fools crusade for attention.

נכתב על ידי Nations, 29.12.2018 at 08:01

Bugs has abused multiple bugs.Do you remember him in his early days making you his ally using bugs and then allycaping your 0s? I do.He also probably used more bugs like unut production stuff and city income stuff.I prefer playing alone rather than with someone like bugs.Also reaching paris from london with no AT is something that can change whole game and yes it is a bug.Abusing bugs means punishment.
Lastly he always got weird rolls and many tbs.

I was doing reseach just now. the fact: there is some random game mechanic when 2 unit too close, they will unite, just like when we fail to wall, 2 one-unit become 1 two-unit. and I found reaching France land and from UK land is POSSIBLE in turn transition.




unit from UK land become one with unit in France land, if you have unit in near edge of France land.

*if image didn't shown, 'open image in new tab'

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 29.12.2018 at 14:45

נכתב על ידי Guest, 29.12.2018 at 13:20

Its beyond me when people don't understand that it started off as an unintended glitch that eventually turned into a handy feature. They seem to get the wrong idea and start stating how bad the game would be without it.

Yah I'm well aware trystane because I've been playing the game before the tb update as well. Can you stop pretending that I'm just some newbie on the scene?

No that's my bad, after reading your replies to hdrakon I get the point you were meaning.

The title said: ''Response to witch-doctor''
Not ''Response to Hellraiser and DeepfriedUnicorn''

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 29.12.2018 at 19:56

The title said: ''Response to witch-doctor''
Not ''Response to Hellraiser and DeepfriedUnicorn''

Its directly related to the topic. What is and what is not a bug, it's that simple.

נכתב על ידי Witch-Doctor, 29.12.2018 at 14:29

Ok but to continue to call turn blocking a bug despite the new and updated turnblock rules would be INTENTIONALLY misleading people. ...

This...

Just to clarify, it's not a bug. It never was a bug. Bugs are unintended, and if you can find any definition that says they are intentional, i'll delete this post. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug

So... that said:

If Amok could figure out how to get opposing player's to have a battle without 'tb' then he would have.

However two armies would never 'meet' on the battlefield unless both players attacked each other's stacks, given that this is not a 'hex' or 'coordinate' game. [They would meet in cities of course, but not on the open field.] You are free to move your armies anywhere, limited only by the pixel resolution of the map.

This is unique to AW gameplay.. i am not aware of any other games that have this openness - most have grids, tiles or hexes, where the action happens. Amok wanted players to be totally free in their army movement, and he was successful, but...

... The only way Amok could get armies to 'lock horns' was to create a battle whenever one army attacked another army, based on 'move' priorities.

So it's not a bug. It's a mechanic for armies to meet up on a 'free and open movement' landscape. Yes, the mechanic was ugly and if there was a better way to implement, Amok would have. But it's not a 'bug' (bugs are unintended as stated above.)

The mechanic was then 'refined' and made less aggravating by introducing percentages, so large stacks couldn't be slowed down by single units.