Another example of A+ battles

So in Masters of West Tourney, Steve Aoki as Germany and me as France. Turn 3 Steve attacks my cap, together he got 180 attack on my capital while i had 171 defence. I lost by 27 units. I was PD with 19 infantry and general against a pd infantry rush with general. While he had more attack and wouldve won, he shouldnt win by 27 units, this is another example of retarded atwar and how there isnt actually battles its just rolling dice and hoping you win. Its literally so stupid. <3 admins who refuse to do anything

Actually its not that outrageous, particiularly if hes if. since you say 180 attack, the attack stats when you hover over inf dont read general bonuses. so im going to assume he hit you with 180/4 inf so 45 infantry? and he lost 18 units'ish attacking you.

the common consensus on aw is that large stacks fare better vs small stacks and in reverse small stacks do badly vs large stacks.

from my experience and from what ive seen others say on the forums, the more units you send the better criticals you get, particularly if youve more than double the defending units attacking. he had more than double. so his losses seem rather reasonable to me.

i like this feature, it adds to the skill level in the game requiring efficiency. ie you expand with min to multiple countries you lose more vs neutrals. as opposed to if you stack fewer countries you conserve more of your starting units.

^hue burn

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

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נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

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נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:48

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Oh look, ignore button for forums. What a nice invention.

OMG NO PLEASE

180 attack vs 171 def

A normal battle you would lose by 2-3 units.


But he has way more units than you. That's a massive bonus for him.

>Normal battle 180att vs 171 def lose 2 units
>Add critical hits of every unit he had more than you. (45 ish or so inf, 27 more than you. that adds a lost of an extra 10 units, generally.
>Now you're at 12
> If he was IF then that would add another 10 units approximately.
>22
>Maybe he was particularly luckier than you. +5
>27 units

if he wasn't IF but pd instead, he was then +15 units luckier.

Also upgrades. Maybe he has more inf upgrades than you. etc..

In real life war, an army doesn't always lose as expected, or win as expected lol... sometimes there are blow outs... This is why there's a luck-roll factor in this game, to account for realism. Or else the game would be perfectly orchestrated all the time, lame.

נכתב על ידי tophat, 19.07.2014 at 18:23

In real life war, an army doesn't always lose as expected, or win as expected lol... sometimes there are blow outs... This is why there's a luck-roll factor in this game, to account for realism. Or else the game would be perfectly orchestrated all the time, lame.

12 Korean boats and 200 mens win the battle against 130 japaneses boats and who know how much mens(1k+)....

More info here

נכתב על ידי Permamuted, 19.07.2014 at 15:52

Actually its not that outrageous, particiularly if hes if. since you say 180 attack, the attack stats when you hover over inf dont read general bonuses. so im going to assume he hit you with 180/4 inf so 45 infantry? and he lost 18 units'ish attacking you.

the common consensus on aw is that large stacks fare better vs small stacks and in reverse small stacks do badly vs large stacks.

from my experience and from what ive seen others say on the forums, the more units you send the better criticals you get, particularly if youve more than double the defending units attacking. he had more than double. so his losses seem rather reasonable to me.

i like this feature, it adds to the skill level in the game requiring efficiency. ie you expand with min to multiple countries you lose more vs neutrals. as opposed to if you stack fewer countries you conserve more of your starting units.

i like your statement but to say that stacking more makes you more skilled is wrong. People (high ranks) always talk about noob strategies like PD stacking inf to attack. This isnt skill its just luck like rare units. it really is an unfair advantage to the game.

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

i had way more than 99, pd with general in city is more and i had 19 inf.

נכתב על ידי tophat, 19.07.2014 at 18:23

180 attack vs 171 def

A normal battle you would lose by 2-3 units.


But he has way more units than you. That's a massive bonus for him.

>Normal battle 180att vs 171 def lose 2 units
>Add critical hits of every unit he had more than you. (45 ish or so inf, 27 more than you. that adds a lost of an extra 10 units, generally.
>Now you're at 12
> If he was IF then that would add another 10 units approximately.
>22
>Maybe he was particularly luckier than you. +5
>27 units

if he wasn't IF but pd instead, he was then +15 units luckier.

Also upgrades. Maybe he has more inf upgrades than you. etc..

In real life war, an army doesn't always lose as expected, or win as expected lol... sometimes there are blow outs... This is why there's a luck-roll factor in this game, to account for realism. Or else the game would be perfectly orchestrated all the time, lame.

crits arent realistic at all. they are way to common. i understand upsets happen but very rarely, and it isnt something that in a game with 10 battles 3 of them are upsets. it doesnt make any sense.

נכתב על ידי Quantum027, 19.07.2014 at 21:12

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

i had way more than 99, pd with general in city is more and i had 19 inf.

If we look at the "most realistic numbers in this game" you had 99defence. I know, i look at it. If you count gen/city then you had more, same as me.
I had between 180-190, 40-45 units, count my general also, i was pd, count hp, critical, and there you go..

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Really, the vamps?

נכתב על ידי Quantum027, 19.07.2014 at 21:12

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

i had way more than 99, pd with general in city is more and i had 19 inf.

> you had 19 units
> he had 45
>and you say its impossible to get capped? LOOOOOL. You are just a sore loser. Just accept it.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 06:19

> you had 19 units
> he had 45
>and you say its impossible to get capped? LOOOOOL. You are just a sore loser. Just accept it.

agreeings

you know what is unlucky? loosing a madrid rush by 4, when i had 5 more PD units than he had PD units
(36+gen vs 41+gen)

נכתב על ידי Tirpitz406, 20.07.2014 at 06:21

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 06:19

> you had 19 units
> he had 45
>and you say its impossible to get capped? LOOOOOL. You are just a sore loser. Just accept it.

agreeings

you know what is unlucky? loosing a madrid rush by 4, when i had 5 more PD units than he had PD units
(36+gen vs 41+gen)

No unlucky is this = I had 60 units PD as turkey and laochra had 50 or 45 idk something like that he was also SM or something, and I LOST BY ONLY 1 MILITIA AND GENERAL LEFT D: bye bye my tournament I was winning that game, I am also sore losers ;_;

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 06:25

נכתב על ידי Tirpitz406, 20.07.2014 at 06:21

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 06:19

> you had 19 units
> he had 45
>and you say its impossible to get capped? LOOOOOL. You are just a sore loser. Just accept it.

agreeings

you know what is unlucky? loosing a madrid rush by 4, when i had 5 more PD units than he had PD units
(36+gen vs 41+gen)

No unlucky is this = I had 60 units PD as turkey and laochra had 50 or 45 idk something like that he was also SM or something, and I LOST BY ONLY 1 MILITIA AND GENERAL LEFT D: bye bye my tournament I was winning that game, I am also sore losers ;_;

waffel stronkest...
no really, i wouldnt want that win. i think i would surrender :/

;_; D:

נכתב על ידי Professor Adog, 20.07.2014 at 04:18

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Really, the vamps?

Yeh <3

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:49

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:48

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Oh look, ignore button for forums. What a nice invention.

OMG NO PLEASE

And you tell me I always say bullshit...

נכתב על ידי Guest, 20.07.2014 at 08:15

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:49

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:48

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Oh look, ignore button for forums. What a nice invention.

OMG NO PLEASE

And you tell me I always say bullshit...

Oh look what a surprise, stalker started to quote again. Blackshark can you gtfo?

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 06:19

נכתב על ידי Quantum027, 19.07.2014 at 21:12

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

i had way more than 99, pd with general in city is more and i had 19 inf.

> you had 19 units
> he had 45
>and you say its impossible to get capped? LOOOOOL. You are just a sore loser. Just accept it.

i didnt say it was impossible. as a matter of fact i said i shouldve been capped. but i dont think 27 units shouldve been left. If the game is just stacks then what is the whole point of attack/defence

Eh, this game isnt about stacks. We all know most of MK players are rushers.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 08:56

Eh, this game isnt about stacks. We all know most of MK players are rushers thats.

Rushers? Lies, i am not a rusher. Never!!

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 20.07.2014 at 08:57

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 08:56

Eh, this game isnt about stacks. We all know most of MK players are rushers thats.

Rushers? Lies, i am not a rusher. Never!!

I said MOST. Not u bb ;_;

נכתב על ידי Quantum027, 19.07.2014 at 21:11

i like your statement but to say that stacking more makes you more skilled is wrong. People (high ranks) always talk about noob strategies like PD stacking inf to attack. This isnt skill its just luck like rare units. it really is an unfair advantage to the game.

no you misunderstand what i meant, i was referring to stacking against neutrals. a relatable example would be imperialist turkey. your units are weaker on attack, when expanding where possible you try to send double vs the neutral, or include tanks with the inf so to conserve them. this is about efficiency

also theres no noob strategies, only noob players. and i dont understand what you meant about it being an unfair advantage to the game. we all possess this advantage, as long as we possess the skill and the knowlege to break your opponent down, make them burn their units, reduce reins available to them.

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 08:42

נכתב על ידי Guest, 20.07.2014 at 08:15

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:49

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:48

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Oh look, ignore button for forums. What a nice invention.

OMG NO PLEASE

And you tell me I always say bullshit...

Oh look what a surprise, stalker started to quote again. Blackshark can you gtfo?

Your defence was weak.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 20.07.2014 at 11:47

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 20.07.2014 at 08:42

נכתב על ידי Guest, 20.07.2014 at 08:15

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:49

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:48

נכתב על ידי Waffel, 19.07.2014 at 17:40

נכתב על ידי Steve Aoki, 19.07.2014 at 17:35

You had 99def, not 171 ffs....

<3 SOMEBODY TO YOUUU!!! HEY YOU!!!!! HEYY YOU!!!!

Oh look, ignore button for forums. What a nice invention.

OMG NO PLEASE

And you tell me I always say bullshit...

Oh look what a surprise, stalker started to quote again. Blackshark can you gtfo?

Your defence was weak.

Oh really? I think your whole face nor your whole statements are weak. Like you had the same annoying thigns with unleashed dont start it with me now fcktard.

In AtWar, the larger the stack, the luckier the system would roll.