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נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.02.2015 at 21:04

Better dead than red.

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 04.02.2015 at 21:06

נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.02.2015 at 21:04

Better dead than red.

נכתב על ידי chill, 04.02.2015 at 20:45

נכתב על ידי Khal.eesi, 04.02.2015 at 22:10

נכתב על ידי chill, 04.02.2015 at 20:45

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נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.02.2015 at 21:04

Better dead than red.

In this game of fascism there is no place for communism, get ready to be bullied

נכתב על ידי Aetius, 04.02.2015 at 21:04

Better dead than red.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 08:54

נכתב על ידי Croat, 15.02.2015 at 18:53

Better dead than red.

Let me get this straight: your grandfather was red, your father was red, but you would rather be dead than red?

Why you guys from Croatia hate your history and nation so much...

they didn't choose to be red, they were forced to, and yogoslavia wasn't part of soviet union it was just ally, yogoslavia wasn't even in warsaw pact

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 08:54

נכתב על ידי Croat, 15.02.2015 at 18:53

Better dead than red.

Let me get this straight: your grandfather was red, your father was red, but you would rather be dead than red?

Why you guys from Croatia hate your history and nation so much...

My father was in Croatian Independence war and fighting against Serbian drunk occupators who murdered and massacred under symbols of red + symbols of chetniks (LOL)
And my grandfather was Ustasha, fighting against evil communism

נכתב על ידי ArminyMouse, 16.02.2015 at 10:40

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 09:20

they didn't choose to be red, they were forced to, and yogoslavia wasn't part of soviet union it was just ally, yogoslavia wasn't even in warsaw pact

Lol,"didnt choose" xD They had better life in Yugo than now,
Forced xD by what?
Yeah,Yugoslavia wasn't in warsaw pact,and Yugoslavia(Tito) was one of formers of Non-Aligned Movement (NAM).
First read something before writing post against me and Amerikanski.



(Cthulhu pls ban me again bcs im starting a flamewar.)

lol,i write this because i have read it, and 2nd if you call communist occupation of balkans voluntary ask from people of balkan's than you spend too much time on at-war,in yogoslavia there were supporters of all three parties, the most supported one was fascist party there were official divisions of fascist army and also there was SS division,yogoslavia itself is a complex state,hatred between ppl etc. and everyone had different ideologies that caused partisan wars,anti fascism movement which was led by tito and communist party of yogoslavia,but it formed in 1941 when soviet union was dragged into war, you wouldn't dare that before germany's war with communists,which is smart choice of course lol and also which says that democrats were more supported atm, damn i don't really think that i need to continue bro, you can either google it, history is written by victor's,i mean you were supporting fascists, when they occupied you, but you (most serbians) didn't like fascists because croatians got most privilege's, most croatian's didn't like communists because serbians got most privilege's, and after cold war that hatred caused another war in yogoslavia a civil war, you cry because you want to be dominant of all yogoslavian's but no dominancy lasts forever.
btw if you call bringing historical argument's a flame war than you really need to be banned jk

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:13

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 09:20

they didn't choose to be red, they were forced to, and yogoslavia wasn't part of soviet union it was just ally, yogoslavia wasn't even in warsaw pact

Did Americans chose to live in capitalist regime when United States are created? What about England? Or any other country?

Why you mention Soviet Union and some alliance? Yugoslavia wasnt ally to USSR or Warsaw Pact, Yugoslavia had their own alliance called 'Non-Aligned Movement', it wasnt NATO or Warsaw Pact

Now tell me Lithuania, Estonia and Georgia 'didnt choose' to be Red and Soviet

georgia and estonia didn't choose ro be red and soviet, georgia was invaded from 3 sides in 1921, from armenia azerbaijan and north caucasus, how does that say that we wanted to be communists o.O
estonia and latvia was claimed by soviet union in molotov ribbentrop pact in 1939 i really think that estonian and latvian delegations weren't invited there

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:20

נכתב על ידי Croat, 16.02.2015 at 09:52

My father was in Croatian Independence war and fighting against Serbian drunk occupators who murdered and massacred under symbols of red + symbols of chetniks (LOL)
And my grandfather was Ustasha, fighting against evil communism

But Yugoslav President, Prime Minister and Government was Croatian, so how come your father fought against Serbian occupators in Croatian-occupied Yugoslavia?

I thought Serbs fought for independence from Communist Croatian-controled Yugoslavia

Werent Ustasha a nazi criminal group linked to German NSDAP and Italian Fascists who started WW2 and are responsible for 50 million deaths in Europe? So they were evil and not communism as there was only one communist state at that time - Soviet Union - which was invaded by nazis and therefore communists couldnt be evil as they didnt had exercised power in Europe to be observed and commented from aside

U are right, Ustashas were nazi group and now again read my first comment. bye

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:33

In 1991, 80% of USSR voted on referendum to stay in USSR and not separate republics

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/01-ria-novosti-infographic-referendum-on-the-preservation-of-the-ussr.jpg

Best ...referendum ...ever.

Do you think its necessary that the USSR becomes a country of equal republics? ...who the fuck whould answer no? What kind of fucked up referendum question is that?

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:33

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 11:20

georgia and estonia didn't choose ro be red and soviet, georgia was invaded from 3 sides in 1921, from armenia azerbaijan and north caucasus, how does that say that we wanted to be communists o.O
estonia and latvia was claimed by soviet union in molotov ribbentrop pact in 1939 i really think that estonian and latvian delegations weren't invited there

Really? I thought that was called 'Russian Civil War' where Reds fought Nationalists and Separatists

So by your logic, Moscow can claim it was invaded by Reds in Russian Civil War from 3 sides and Moscow never chose to be Soviet

Georgia, Armenia, Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan all chose to be part of the Soviet Union and they were Reds for 74 years. Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia joined later in 1941 and didnt oppose. Thats how bad it was, without resistance lol.

If Soviet Union was evil, Soviet people would resist the oppression, but there wasnt any resistance movement. In 1991, 80% of USSR voted on referendum to stay in USSR and not separate republics

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/01-ria-novosti-infographic-referendum-on-the-preservation-of-the-ussr.jpg

Your Eastern European anti-communist and anti-russian adventure is silly. You are too much pliable and fall for stupid childish lies which are used to turn you against targeted victim so you obey everything they tell you.

But hey, better for me, i'll live in stable and prosperous state with $50,000 GDP per capita and you 'invite' Russian Federation again by killing Ossetian civilians so when they bomb the shit out of you, you cry for help and credit

you ran out of arguments so you started insulting my country, not nice move of you you don't know a lot about situation here, you are just wanna be communist in usa or serbia or wherever, your arguments are as much failure as your communistic ideology
and there was a lot anti soviet resistance lmao. first in 1956
why you talk about something you have no idea of soviet russia occupied caucasus in 1921 and you still say that we chose to be part of. you have no idea what are you talking about just plz at least try too google your arguments before posting them here ty

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:33

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 11:20

georgia and estonia didn't choose ro be red and soviet, georgia was invaded from 3 sides in 1921, from armenia azerbaijan and north caucasus, how does that say that we wanted to be communists o.O
estonia and latvia was claimed by soviet union in molotov ribbentrop pact in 1939 i really think that estonian and latvian delegations weren't invited there

Really? I thought that was called 'Russian Civil War' where Reds fought Nationalists and Separatists

So by your logic, Moscow can claim it was invaded by Reds in Russian Civil War from 3 sides and Moscow never chose to be Soviet

Georgia, Armenia, Russia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan all chose to be part of the Soviet Union and they were Reds for 74 years. Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia joined later in 1941 and didnt oppose. Thats how bad it was, without resistance lol.

If Soviet Union was evil, Soviet people would resist the oppression, but there wasnt any resistance movement. In 1991, 80% of USSR voted on referendum to stay in USSR and not separate republics

https://02varvara.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/01-ria-novosti-infographic-referendum-on-the-preservation-of-the-ussr.jpg

Your Eastern European anti-communist and anti-russian adventure is silly. You are too much pliable and fall for stupid childish lies which are used to turn you against targeted victim so you obey everything they tell you.

But hey, better for me, i'll live in stable and prosperous state with $50,000 GDP per capita and you 'invite' Russian Federation again by killing Ossetian civilians so when they bomb the shit out of you, you cry for help and credit

btw show me when georgians bombed ossetian civilians just show me, all of those were stole it were georgian civilians from "Gori" and you believe that they were south ossetians because russia has much better masmedia. and also when georgians took so called capital of south ossetia (ossetians were migrated there it isn't ossetia there is no south and north osetia there is only 1 osetia and it is in north caucasus not in central) russians bombed it, and barraged it, plz show me 1 video where it say's injured south ossetian civilian, and bla bla bla, russia's army - veterans of chechnya war did most crimes, i can't say that georgian army didn't do any crimes (since war is crime itself) but i am pretty sure we didn't bomb our lands, urban warfare is really hard to win when you are attacker and when there is organized army based and fortified there, easier way is to bomb it which russia used, georgia's airforce had no bombers than lol not sure if they even have now.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 11:38

נכתב על ידי Croat, 16.02.2015 at 11:23

U are right, Ustashas were nazi group and now again read my first comment. bye

I see, so thats why you hate your history and nation. Because your grandfather was nazi and father fought against oppressed Serbs who wanted independence from Yugoslavia.

Fair enough.

LOOOL

Said guy whose whole nations history is lie.

Fair enough about you and your comments. Cya

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 15:01

נכתב על ידי Croat, 16.02.2015 at 14:27

LOOOL

Said guy whose whole nations history is lie.

Fair enough about you and your comments. Cya

Wow my nations history is a lie? It didnt happen? wow... thanks for telling me! How do you know, conspiracy theory? Been in weird part of Youtube again havent ya?

jebem ti leb dosadni bre

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 16.02.2015 at 14:13

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 11:59

you ran out of arguments so you started insulting my country, not nice move of you you don't know a lot about situation here, you are just wanna be communist in usa or serbia or wherever, your arguments are as much failure as your communistic ideology
and there was a lot anti soviet resistance lmao. first in 1956
why you talk about something you have no idea of soviet russia occupied caucasus in 1921 and you still say that we chose to be part of. you have no idea what are you talking about just plz at least try too google your arguments before posting them here ty

I didnt ran out of arguments, i USED an argument which is 'insulting' to you because you LOST that war.

>Georgia invade Ossetia
>Ossetia win
>Georgia feels insulted when someone mention that war now

Im not communist lol, i just point out that Communism is like Capitalism - just another systematic-economic theory. People and nations choose what system they want and live by it. I just find it funny that after some system collapse, people start to blame that system instead themselves for their own personal failure. Its epic how far some people are willing to go just to divert the blame.

I still remember when i was in Tbilisi 1992, at night there was no street or any kind of light at all. Power plants didnt work, there were no markets, no shops, industry collapsed, and i asked my friend was it always like this, even in Soviet Era? He said of course not, Soviet Georgia was developed but because of later mismanagement they collapsed.

It is easier to blame some ideology like communism than yourself for collapse right?

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 12:33

btw show me when georgians bombed ossetian civilians just show me, all of those were stole it were georgian civilians from "Gori" and you believe that they were south ossetians because russia has much better masmedia. and also when georgians took so called capital of south ossetia (ossetians were migrated there it isn't ossetia there is no south and north osetia there is only 1 osetia and it is in north caucasus not in central) russians bombed it, and barraged it, plz show me 1 video where it say's injured south ossetian civilian, and bla bla bla, russia's army - veterans of chechnya war did most crimes, i can't say that georgian army didn't do any crimes (since war is crime itself) but i am pretty sure we didn't bomb our lands, urban warfare is really hard to win when you are attacker and when there is organized army based and fortified there, easier way is to bomb it which russia used, georgia's airforce had no bombers than lol not sure if they even have now.

Who said Georgians bombed Ossetians? I didnt... Freudian mistake eh?

Georgia wanted to ethnically cleanse its land from minorities, so they attacked Ossetians, but Ossetians won that war and cleansed Georgians. Georgia had ultra-nationalistic government after Soviet Collapse.

partly true, but georgia didn't want to ethnically cleanse land from ossetians lmao even ossetians live in georgia,,that's a lie
still waiting for you to provide me some video or information about bombed ossetian civilians which was made by *Georgia* and not russia and make sure it wasn't georgian civilian from "Gori"
you were in 1992 it was civil war by than.
Communist Ideology had good sides but in total it failed that's why soviet union collapsed
georgia doesn't feel insulted when talking about that war in 2008, i felt insulted becaus eyou provided mistaken historical facts, georgia bombed cities, etc.
i really don't like when you blame us for what russia did

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 17.02.2015 at 05:07

נכתב על ידי Guest, 16.02.2015 at 22:51

partly true, but georgia didn't want to ethnically cleanse land from ossetians lmao even ossetians live in georgia,,that's a lie
still waiting for you to provide me some video or information about bombed ossetian civilians which was made by *Georgia* and not russia and make sure it wasn't georgian civilian from "Gori"
you were in 1992 it was civil war by than.
Communist Ideology had good sides but in total it failed that's why soviet union collapsed
georgia doesn't feel insulted when talking about that war in 2008, i felt insulted becaus eyou provided mistaken historical facts, georgia bombed cities, etc.
i really don't like when you blame us for what russia did

1. Violent coup overthrow legally elected Georgian Government
2. Ossetia and Abkhazia doesnt recognize new non-elected junta government
3. Ossetia and Abkhazia decide to leave new Georgia so they can be more democratic
4. Georgia send troops to stop them leave, battles start in Tskhinvali January 5th
5. Ossetians fight back, civil war broke out

Isnt this the truth?

Does it ring a bell?

1. Yugoslav scenario: regional government of Slovenia and Croatia decide to leave Yugoslavia, Yugoslav Federal Government send troops to stop them and war start.
2. Ukrainian scenario: putchists overthrow legally elected president and government, impose new pro-fascistic military junta, Donetsk and Lugansk decide to leave Ukraine as they dont recognize newly non-democratic government and Ukraine send troops to stop them. Ukrainian Civil War broke out.

Dont you see same pattern here?


About communist ideology and Soviet collapse: Your answer is 'in total it failed and thus USSR collapsed', so im asking you; how it failed in total? Economic collapse? Military collapse? Inteligentsia collapse? Republics left the Union? Civil War? Government collapsed?

Thats like United States collapse and 50 states split with the Washington D.C. and i say Capitalism is guilty for that, it failed. But why would i blame some ideology for my personal fail to contribute to society (btw thats my answer why USSR collapsed and Communist China didnt).

like yogoslavia, georgia is unite of several group of ppl-s, which you know i think.
Bla, You have no idea of politic situations in georgia, but your googl-ing skills are awesome, it isn't same situation,because ossetians were migrated in our lands, and more than half population of abkhazia were up to be united,but this was just russia's political game, which you don't understand these presidents are just mere puppets of putin,and abkhazia is slowly loosing fate in his president. in those so called civil war of georgia, there were fighting against us armenians and north caucasians funded by russia.civil war was just a political game of russia. and in 2008 there were hired mercenaries and parts of ossetian regiment's started attacking and pillaging our villages, answer from our side was necessary.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 17.02.2015 at 12:16

נכתב על ידי Guest, 17.02.2015 at 05:43

like yogoslavia, georgia is unite of several group of ppl-s, which you know i think.
Bla, You have no idea of politic situations in georgia, but your googl-ing skills are awesome, it isn't same situation,because ossetians were migrated in our lands, and more than half population of abkhazia were up to be united,but this was just russia's political game, which you don't understand these presidents are just mere puppets of putin,and abkhazia is slowly loosing fate in his president. in those so called civil war of georgia, there were fighting against us armenians and north caucasians funded by russia.civil war was just a political game of russia. and in 2008 there were hired mercenaries and parts of ossetian regiment's started attacking and pillaging our villages, answer from our side was necessary.

Allow me to post a comment like you before:

You ran out of arguments and start to insult (''your googl-ing skills are awesome'').

Ossetians migrated in your lands? Really... and Germans didnt migrate from Asia to Europe, Europeans to America, Huns to Europe? Do you say Ossetians doesnt have right on 'your' land? Who are you to decide where will tribes live?

Dont you think Russian Federation was weak and internally divided to help/support Georgian separatists in 1991/92? Or Russia went expansionist immediately after Soviet collapse?

2008 was Russian invasion, but you say Ossetians started attacking Georgian villages, so couldnt you use police like every other civilized country? Why using military for internal conflict when you know that will trigger a war.

You still didnt answer me why it is Communism's fault for USSR's collapse.

How come Communism killed Soviet Union but strengthened China? Does that mean Communism is bad or good?


[when we finish arguing i will tell mod to delete our posts as this is recruitment page, not off-topic]

didn't insult you, wish i had same googl-ing skills
ossetians migrated in 19th-20th century. -.-
in 2008 they were using military unit groups,which were well equipped and had artillery support, and you say why we didn't use police force -.- , that of course trigerred war which was russia's political game, if you don't understand it, than i don't need to argue with you anymore
you left my questions unanswered, but i will respect you for a little bit and answer yours, i didn't say that communism is bad i said that it is just a failure,
russia could've continued with communism ideology but it didn't guess why.
communism also killing off north korea, only true successor of communistic ideology in china, but why you bring all of this into our argue, idk it is you who is running out of arguments and travelling worldwide to get new ones

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 17.02.2015 at 12:16

How come Communism killed Soviet Union but strengthened China? Does that mean Communism is bad or good?

Chinese goverment might be communistic, but its economy is based on capitalism.

China has 150+ billionaires ...communism? I dont think so.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 18.02.2015 at 06:44

נכתב על ידי Guest, 17.02.2015 at 12:48

didn't insult you, wish i had same googl-ing skills
ossetians migrated in 19th-20th century. -.-
in 2008 they were using military unit groups,which were well equipped and had artillery support, and you say why we didn't use police force -.- , that of course trigerred war which was russia's political game, if you don't understand it, than i don't need to argue with you anymore
you left my questions unanswered, but i will respect you for a little bit and answer yours, i didn't say that communism is bad i said that it is just a failure,
russia could've continued with communism ideology but it didn't guess why.
communism also killing off north korea, only true successor of communistic ideology in china, but why you bring all of this into our argue, idk it is you who is running out of arguments and travelling worldwide to get new ones

I was debating 1991-1993 Georgian Civil War, not 2008 War.

My question about Communism was: Your opinion and answer why Communism failed in USSR but succeeded in China? And if you consider it didnt succeeded in China as well, then why didnt?

My whole point of questions and arguments is that i emphasize it is stupid to blame something in general for fail when it is proven it isnt fail for other situation(s).

Analogy to that would be a driver(nation) and a car(political ideology): car might break, engine fail, overheat, and driver blame the vehicle instead question his driving skill first. So then he starts blaming other drivers for driving cars as he prove that cars fail by his personal experience.
What if that driver is raping gas on 10,000 r/min in second gear, engine will definitely break down eventually.

Goblin answered already

נכתב על ידי Goblin, 18.02.2015 at 05:21

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 17.02.2015 at 12:16

How come Communism killed Soviet Union but strengthened China? Does that mean Communism is bad or good?

Chinese goverment might be communistic, but its economy is based on capitalism.

China has 150+ billionaires ...communism? I dont think so.

נכתב על ידי Guest, 18.02.2015 at 07:57

-snip-

I love how tito ignores the fact that russia and china have the highest abortion rates in the world, followed by former soviet states.
There is 3 times more abortions than births... Russian population is in decline, and the soviet union had up to 5 million abortions in 1 year.

Nice utopia

נכתב על ידי ArminyMouse, 18.02.2015 at 09:54

Soldžer,your speaking is like tunder's,same brains.........
You cant google answer to Tito's question,bcs you need to mind about that question,that's why your answer is noobic.
Зато ућути више,то је савет,јер испадаш све већа будала,

says the guy who can't find words in english,but uses his homelanguage instead.world doesn't speak serbian.
and the one who was googling it, was your dear friend not me http://prntscr.com/66q7q1 .

נכתב על ידי ArminyMouse, 18.02.2015 at 10:21

נכתב על ידי Guest, 18.02.2015 at 10:16

says the guy who can't find words in english,but uses his homelanguage instead.world doesn't speak serbian.
and the one who was googling it, was your dear friend not me http://prntscr.com/66q7q1 .

I used serbian for you,you better feal if you dont know what i told.

feal ? and what language is that ? it's not bad to develop your own language's but it's too pitty that you are the only one who speaks them, plz use english or stop quoting me, it's kinda disgusting

I love how commies are always in denial.

Pavle should take upon his own advice that he wrote for soldier in serbian cyrilic.

Btw. you guys got the serbian forum so you can talk in cyrilics ...yet you write latin there.