This is communism

Just open the list of 10 biggest killers in 20th century... 7 of 10 are communists.
And the worlds biggest paradox is that fascism is prohibited, everyone is speaking about victims of fascism, but communism is still being served as good because it was contrary to fascism...... lol, only blind idiots can support that bs

Nazism is banned because it openly show and promote hate, racism, supremacism, war and violence.

Communism and Capitalism never promoted violence or hate. Therefore Capitalism and Communism cannot be banned.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 11.07.2015 at 16:33

Nazism is banned because it openly show and promote hate, racism, supremacism, war and violence.

Communism and Capitalism never promoted violence or hate. Therefore Capitalism and Communism cannot be banned.

Yes, exactly, I wanted to hear that from you....
Manifestly it wasnt promoting violence or hate, but as latent result you have millions and millions killed, much more victims than fascism who promoted violence at some stages of the rising of fascism.

Conclusion is simple, repeat lie several times and it will become truth, controll media and brainwash people.
Communism closed their eyes, made them feel false feeling of togetherness. If not on their own, than by force...

Guess which one is more brutal?
That one where you knew what you may get if you oppose the system, or one where system made you oppose it

נכתב על ידי Tundy, 11.07.2015 at 13:57

Sure, how many people had die in the U.S since the creation of the country?

More than all those stats combined, I bet.

So where is exactly your point? Taking out some specific times just to show how communism is bad? Pls do the same with WW1 and Imperial china.............

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 17:55

Sure, how many people had die in the U.S since the creation of the country?

More than all those stats combined, I bet.

You think the US government has executed, starved or worked to death over 150 million of its own citizens? The US Civil War, the highest death toll in its history cost 620,000 lives. The number of US citizens killed by its own government, including the number who have died fighting its wars over its entire history will barely come to a million or more.

I think the death toll under communist rule in the Soviet Union is slightly inflated, but even so, they murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, remember, ITS OWN CITIZENS... in less than seven decades. That figure doesn't include the other communist states.

The US figure is incredibly tame in comparison and is mostly made up of losses from wartime, not gulags or cultural revolutions where communist states encouraged the mass slaughter of its own citizens.

I assume you're going to include Native deaths. Firstly, natives were not citizens of the USA. That's a crucial point, and secondly, 90% of natives that died actually died from disease. Only around 40,000 were killed through violence between Americans and natives since the inception of the USA. Around 40,000 US citizens were also killed by natives during the same period. The natives had a lot of fight in them.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 17:55

So where is exactly your point? Taking out some specific times just to show how communism is bad? Pls do the same with WW1 and Imperial china.............

Yes. I assume that was his point. It's shocking. These states killed more of their own citizens during peacetime than entire death tolls of world wars involving most nations around the world.

And yet people who support communism hold major positions in government, they are mods on this website and they can happily wave their flags without any repercussions while Fascists who barely harmed a few hundred of their own citizens during peacetime are forever villainized and ostracized for merely wanting mass immigration to stop.

We're living in a mental asylum run by the inmates while we're tied up in straight jackets.

נכתב על ידי Tik-Tok, 11.07.2015 at 18:21

I think the death toll under communist rule in the Soviet Union is slightly inflated, but even so, they murdered tens of millions of their own citizens, remember, ITS OWN CITIZENS... in less than seven decades. That figure doesn't include the other communist states.

Hold on, nowhere it says "Casualties inflicted by the own government". It is just a list of casualties in a communist-oriented country in a specific time.

Now, your argument will probably be right if those statics, as I've said, were caused by own government.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 18:29

Hold on, nowhere it says "Casualties inflicted by the own government". It is just a list of casualties in a communist-oriented country in a specific time.

Which is why I said some numbers are slightly inflated. But it still runs into the tens of millions in the Soviet Union and China. China wasn't at war and the Soviets really were utterly brutal to their own population. The Bolsheviks took power in brutal fashion. Unlike the Fascists who took power democratically or via consent of a monarchy, the communists almost always took power via their 'revolutions' which involved mass murdering anyone in opposition. Some of things they did are unheard of in post imperial history.

The Ukrainian starvation was enforced. These states took away peoples arms, when they revolted, they took away their food. They butchered their engineers and teachers. A state should never mass murder its own citizens. Say what you want about whether war with a foreign power being immoral, but at least treat your own properly.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 18:29

Now, your argument will probably be right if those statics, as I've said, were caused by own government.

The stats are mostly from famine, overworked in labor camps or state murder. Most of these states did this during peacetime.

נכתב על ידי Tik-Tok, 11.07.2015 at 18:41

the communists almost always took power via their 'revolutions' which involved mass murdering anyone in opposition. Some of things they did are unheard of in post imperial history.

>Implying capitalism and other type of politics never had done the same.

נכתב על ידי Tik-Tok, 11.07.2015 at 18:41

A state should never mass murder its own citizens. Say what you want about whether war with a foreign power being immoral, but at least treat your own properly.

I will bring up statics about all the dictatorship in America depending whenever you want or not want to hold this point.

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I am not even discussing the fact that communism killed a lot of people. I am just again what you are trying to imply here, that only communist had done this before. Also, you should take into account that the casualties are directly proportional to the number of people. According to my sources, China had 650 million of people in 1960(1). It would be A LOT more accurate if you just give the numbers in relative percents (% of the population).

The % helps a lot specially because a earthquake in a city with just 100 habitats is not even closer to the same earthquake in the same with but with 100,000 habitats. At least for the Great Leap Forward, I'll make the calcs:

Great Leap Forward death: 45,000,000 (2) (yes, I am taking the major one and assuming no one in Wikipedia would have a reason to minimize a communist government number of casualties).

% of Chinese who die: ~6.9% of the population. Not any big number at all.

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A third reason that inflates the calculation is exactly that in most of the countries (speaking for America) communist was, and still is, prohibited. In most of the cases not even by the own government, but by USA and/or dictatorships that were funded/pressured by USA. So for sure, in those countries communist can only happen on a revolution In Europe you can't really call it a revolution as the URSS forced the countries to turn into communist (I assume? correct me if I am wrong).


(1): http://populationpyramid.net/es/republica-popular-china/1960/
(2): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 11.07.2015 at 16:33

Nazism is banned because it openly show and promote hate, racism, supremacism, war and violence.

Communism and Capitalism never promoted violence or hate. Therefore Capitalism and Communism cannot be banned.

You are talking that communism is good?
Well,what i can tell you brainwashed one.
Because of communism millions of people was killed,many more than cuz of fascism.(i dont tell that fascism is good.....)
But well,people think its good cuz its against fascism.
Its easy,propaganda and controlling media,and lie will become truth.
You are alive example.brainwashed by titoism.
No one like you doesnt know real truth,but intelligent people were against it.
Ones that was against it was sending to"goli otok",others was killed(aunt and dad of my best friend was killed cuz of Tito)
Im not sure why im writing this,you brainwashed one won't read,just answer that im noob,idiot,and other no-brain words that brainless people are using.
People killed by:
Communism:
about 119 085 000 in 70 years (1 701k ppl/year)
(i calculated myself by sources,on all sites,it says 130m minimum,so i just made it min+max number /2.)
Fascism:
about 21 000 000 in 12 years (1 750k ppl/year)

נכתב על ידי Tik-Tok, 11.07.2015 at 18:41

the communists almost always took power via their 'revolutions' which involved mass murdering anyone in opposition.

Czechoslovakia 1946? Chile 1970? In both cases a communist (officially, anyways) administration gained power through a free and democratic election.
In North Korea, there was no government to overthrow, meaning communism was established there without a revolution.
Hungary, East Germany, and Romania had communist governments installed by an occupying power, which means communism took power by external war, not internal revolution.
In Poland, the internal populace had very little to do with the communist government overthrowing the pre-war right wing autocracy. The main reason was the Soviet occupation army backing the communists.

In fact, the only countries I can think of where communism took hold by "revolution" is the Soviet Union and China.

But to add my two cents: I am opposed to totalitarianism. Whether that totalitarianism be communist or fascist in nature is of no relevance.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 19:20

Great Leap Forward death: 45,000,000 (2) (yes, I am taking the major one and assuming no one in Wikipedia would have a reason to minimize a communist government number of casualties).

% of Chinese who die: ~6.9% of the population. Not any big number at all.

are you implying that because china only killed roughly 7%of it's citizens that it was okay? 45 million people dead to me is a huge number, especially in such a short time, especially perpetrated from a government. 45 million people killed is roughly the same amount of civilians killed in WWII (using statistics form this website: http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/education/for-students/ww2-history/ww2-by-the-numbers/world-wide-deaths.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/ at the bottom of the statistics for total deaths). Regardless of the percentage, 45 million people died for reasons caused by a government that began to get out of hand greatl.y A government that gunned down it's own people 26 yeas ago for asking for more freedoms. A government that suppresses free speech. A government that does not allow a difference of opinion from the state government.

Debates between the far left and the far right are always interesting to see.

I'm just sitting here being me. Bleh.

נכתב על ידי Pheonixking929, 12.07.2015 at 00:01

are you implying that because china only killed roughly 7%of it's citizens that it was okay?

No.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 19:20

I am not even discussing the fact that communism killed a lot of people. I am just again what you are trying to imply here, that only communist had done this before.

But just in case you wanted to ask yes, I think 7% population of a country is a pretty small number in relative terms. I am confident about saying this, that there are many countries who had lost even bigger percent of their population. I will get you sources depending whenever you want or not want to hold this point.

Extra: Why use percent of population, and not raw numbers.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 19:20

The % helps a lot specially because a earthquake in a city with just 100 habitats is not even closer to the same earthquake in the same with but with 100,000 habitats. At least for the Great Leap Forward, I'll make the calcs:

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 12.07.2015 at 07:06

נכתב על ידי Pheonixking929, 12.07.2015 at 00:01

are you implying that because china only killed roughly 7%of it's citizens that it was okay?

No.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 19:20

I am not even discussing the fact that communism killed a lot of people. I am just again what you are trying to imply here, that only communist had done this before.

But just in case you wanted to ask yes, I think 7% population of a country is a pretty small number in relative terms. I am confident about saying this, that there are many countries who had lost even bigger percent of their population. I will get you sources depending whenever you want or not want to hold this point.

Extra: Why use percent of population, and not raw numbers.

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 11.07.2015 at 19:20

The % helps a lot specially because a earthquake in a city with just 100 habitats is not even closer to the same earthquake in the same with but with 100,000 habitats. At least for the Great Leap Forward, I'll make the calcs:

ah, okay. Thought you were trying to say because the mass murder only killed about 10 percent of the pop. it was okay (though I understand percentages are important. I think it was the khmer rouge that killed off a fifth of their population)

If atwar was a country shit would be alot worse than that

נכתב על ידי clovis1122, 12.07.2015 at 07:06

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Holy fucking shit, did you just fucking disregarded the life of millions of individuals (with different set of personalities and ambitions) as just fucking numbers? get the fuck out of here faggot.
you always try to sound smart, but you always end up looking like a stupid child.

נכתב על ידי Tik-Tok, 11.07.2015 at 18:41

The Ukrainian starvation was enforced.

Why zooming in one particular area so much? Didnt Russians and Kazakhs starved as well? Holodomor happened because low crop yields and administration mistake (bad allocation of food).

Holodomor is used today by various groups to attack Russia or Communism, or both. But reality is bad weather is guilty for that, just like Dust Bowl in United States. They didnt had extensive mechanisation and technology to produce enough food for all population, and population rose very fast.

Communists in Russia are guilty for bringing atheism, strikes and demonstrations during World War I when they agitated among workers and soldiers so they stopped war production and desertation which led to Russia losing. Classic sabotage and backstabbing. They created problems so they can claim they can solve them later if people support their cause.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 12.07.2015 at 16:45

They didnt had extensive mechanisation and technology to produce enough food for all population, and population rose very fast.

Well, atleast the gulags reduced the population alittle so that's ok