USA collaps in how many years

נכתב על ידי Zephyrusu, 01.03.2017 at 14:17

נכתב על ידי Mr_Own_U, 01.03.2017 at 12:26

Does bosnia have running water?

I'm sure you can find a little somewhere...

In the Danube, but they'd have to ask mother serbia

People seems to be ''very happy'' with this scenario but still you understand what kind of consequences (economic, politic and social) we should wait after this event?

USA is a legal fiction.. it will never 'fall' - it will, at worst, have it's name changed and a new economic model imposed on it, and all new faces in the political structure... but those who control it now will control the new entity... all we can do is change our response.

Well, it all depends on what you mean by "collapse," doesn't it?

I don't think that the territorial integrity of the continental United States will be seriously threatened in any scenario that doesn't also include a general collapse of human civilisation. American national identity is very, very powerful, and separatist movements, to the extent that they exist, are politically insignificant. Institutions of the United States, from the Federal Government to the US Dollar, are too well established to be easily overthrown. Militarily, it's difficult to see what advantage any of the United States' rivals can possibly expect to gain by a partial occupation of the continental United States and, even if they do, between geographical isolation, an overfunded military, and nuclear deterrence, the US can probably defend its core territory reasonable well.

Barring an unprecedented decrease in the standard of living (e.g. if civilisation collapses), I don't think there is anything that can seriously challenge the territorial integrity of the continental United States in the next 100 years or so. On the other hand, the collapse of the United States as a global power seems rather inevitable in the next 50 years.

The United States enjoys unparalleled influence in basically every region of the world. It has made itself into the dominant military power on every single continent by its network of military bases and defence agreements, while American diplomats can put plenty of pressure even on major powers, and US culture makes itself dominant in more subtle ways. All this, however, is fundamentally based on US economic dominance which is being increasingly eroded. American military commitments are already starting to strain the United States' ability to pay for it, for example.

The United States' ability to protect its military, diplomatic, and economic interests in the world will be seriously compromised, while other countries' abilities to protect their interests within the United States will be significantly strengthened. This is almost guaranteed to produce a series of crises that will heavily affect the American way of life. Some people might consider that to be "collapse."

When the generation that is now in power dies out, and the current SJW generation takes control, America will no longer be a world power.

נכתב על ידי International, 06.07.2017 at 05:11

Well, it all depends on what you mean by "collapse," doesn't it?

I don't think that the territorial integrity of the continental United States will be seriously threatened in any scenario that doesn't also include a general collapse of human civilisation. American national identity is very, very powerful, and separatist movements, to the extent that they exist, are politically insignificant. Institutions of the United States, from the Federal Government to the US Dollar, are too well established to be easily overthrown. Militarily, it's difficult to see what advantage any of the United States' rivals can possibly expect to gain by a partial occupation of the continental United States and, even if they do, between geographical isolation, an overfunded military, and nuclear deterrence, the US can probably defend its core territory reasonable well.

Barring an unprecedented decrease in the standard of living (e.g. if civilisation collapses), I don't think there is anything that can seriously challenge the territorial integrity of the continental United States in the next 100 years or so. On the other hand, the collapse of the United States as a global power seems rather inevitable in the next 50 years.

The United States enjoys unparalleled influence in basically every region of the world. It has made itself into the dominant military power on every single continent by its network of military bases and defence agreements, while American diplomats can put plenty of pressure even on major powers, and US culture makes itself dominant in more subtle ways. All this, however, is fundamentally based on US economic dominance which is being increasingly eroded. American military commitments are already starting to strain the United States' ability to pay for it, for example.

The United States' ability to protect its military, diplomatic, and economic interests in the world will be seriously compromised, while other countries' abilities to protect their interests within the United States will be significantly strengthened. This is almost guaranteed to produce a series of crises that will heavily affect the American way of life. Some people might consider that to be "collapse."

so much bullshit in so many words to say basically nothing, as usual. tldr

keep on kiking kike

נכתב על ידי brianwl, 05.07.2017 at 20:02

at worst, have it's name changed and a new economic model imposed on it,

You just named 2 things that WILL NOT change when/if US collapse. You got it all wrong lol.

Young people are way too much idealistic and think something drastic like economy reform is possible today. But it isn't. 2017 is not 1917. There are simply no people to support that, humans are too passive in this era.

Germany can't start new world war
Hitler will not return
Communist revolution won't happen
Nazis won't rise
Middle East will not have peace
Africa won't end famine

נכתב על ידי International, 06.07.2017 at 05:11

while American diplomats can put plenty of pressure even on major powers,

US economic dominance

Wrong:

1. Funding your allies or opposition of your opponent. Second option is CIA's black sites, where they kidnap people all over the globe and torture. This mean it is not US economy, military or diplomacy that gives power to the US, but money and underhand methods. Military bases are only for the show, they are not really supplied to fight, defend or support US army, that's left to the US allied bases and infrastructure.

2. US finance is more dominant in the world than US economy. You need to trade a lot with the world in order to have economic leverage, but US doesn't export alot. US cars stay in US, tech devices(during cold war when it was dominant), even oil i think. While in comparison, Germany, Japan and China own the international market with their products: cars, computers, fridges, air conditions, tv's, trucks, ships. That's why US use money to fund allies, opposition, rebels etc.

US telephones like Iphone which dominate the market, is made in China, but money goes to US, so that mean US gets the money, but China holds economic leverage.

Usa never dies u fools

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 06.07.2017 at 10:54

1. -snip-

All of that, though, is fundamentally based on US economic dominance. Without US economic dominance, there is no US military-diplomatic leverage, and the ability of the United States to maintain pervasive espionage and intelligence across the world will be heavily compromised.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 06.07.2017 at 10:54

2. -snip-

In today's liberal capitalist economy, which is unlikely to go away anytime soon, finance is economic power. To use the iPhone example, that simply means China holds the less economically productive part of the operation - the manufacturing - while the United States holds the more economically productive part of the operation - marketing, retail, etc. There is a reason why developing countries are more anxious to encourage investment into their countries than developed countries are to encourage investment out of their countries.

נכתב על ידי boywind2, 06.07.2017 at 10:55

Usa never dies u fools

Empires come, empires go... and all believed themselves eternal.

נכתב על ידי Unleashed2333, 06.07.2017 at 07:08

so much bullshit in so many words to say basically nothing, as usual. tldr

Do you actually have an argument?

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 06.07.2017 at 10:28

נכתב על ידי brianwl, 05.07.2017 at 20:02

at worst, have it's name changed and a new economic model imposed on it,

You just named 2 things that WILL NOT change when/if US collapse. You got it all wrong lol.

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- i got it all wrong - so sad for me. (Can you name a country that collapsed and kept its name and economic model? - I mean besides the ex-CCCP -

נכתב על ידי brianwl, 09.07.2017 at 19:03

- i got it all wrong - so sad for me. (Can you name a country that collapsed and kept its name and economic model? - I mean besides the ex-CCCP -

Germany collapsed in WW1 - kept name and economic model (capitalism)

France after 1789 - still same name and economic model (free market (if we agree that feudalism ended in 1500 there and not in 1789 as they already had private companies))

Poland in 1918 - still same name as before partition 1792 and economic model

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Communist states in Europe still had same name, just different economic model, but that is considered 'experiment' since it was never tried in the history before.

Even Russia in 1991 returned old name and economic model from 1914.

Capitalism is considered natural, as humans trade and use currency for 5000 years, so when country collapse, it doesn't have to change name or economic model, it will just continue to exist as independent regions but still with capitalism. That mean if USA collapse, there will be 50 democratic capitalist states, they will still be Pensylvania, New York, Texas, California, why changing name? Economic model and name change will occur if they try something different, radical, like Germany and Russia had [Reich, Soviets], but that's highly unlikely in this modern era - where - i repeat - people are way too passive and don't care much.

נכתב על ידי Skanderbeg, 09.07.2017 at 19:19

נכתב על ידי brianwl, 09.07.2017 at 19:03

- i got it all wrong - so sad for me. (Can you name a country that collapsed and kept its name and economic model? - I mean besides the ex-CCCP -

Germany collapsed in WW1 - kept name and economic model (capitalism)

France after 1789 - still same name and economic model (free market (if we agree that feudalism ended in 1500 there and not in 1789 as they already had private companies))

Poland in 1918 - still same name as before partition 1792 and economic model

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Communist states in Europe still had same name, just different economic model, but that is considered 'experiment' since it was never tried in the history before.

Even Russia in 1991 returned old name and economic model from 1914.

Capitalism is considered natural, as humans trade and use currency for 5000 years, so when country collapse, it doesn't have to change name or economic model, it will just continue to exist as independent regions but still with capitalism. That mean if USA collapse, there will be 50 democratic capitalist states, they will still be Pensylvania, New York, Texas, California, why changing name? Economic model and name change will occur if they try something different, like Germany and Russia had [Reich, Soviets], but that's highly unlikely in this modern era - where - i repeat - people are way too passive and don't care much.

I know you're just trolling now, but if you really are so deluded: I just picked Germany, since it was first on your list... all of them have changed names/currencies/economic models following their collapse.

German name:

German Reich (1919-1933/1945)
Federal Republic of Germany (1949-)


Economic Currency:

Reichsmark: 1924 - 1948
Deutsche Mark: 1948 (West Germany)

נכתב על ידי brianwl, 09.07.2017 at 19:31

I know you're just trolling now, but if you really are so deluded: I just picked Germany, since it was first on your list... all of them have changed names/currencies/economic models following their collapse.

German name:

German Reich (1919-1933/1945)
Federal Republic of Germany (1949-)


Economic Currency:

Reichsmark: 1924 - 1948
Deutsche Mark: 1948 (West Germany)

I reply you with simple answer, you accuse me i troll and then you reply trolling...

German Reich is just like Nazi Germany name.. bullshit... their name is Deutschland or Deutsche Reich, Reich is german not english word so you can't say 'German Reich'. Deutsche Reich means German State, so by your own reply it means the statehood of German people, doesn't imply whether communist, capitalist or democratic.

Federation is Russia as well, still Russia. No need to emphasize political system of the country. Iran is ISLAMIC republic, Saudi Arabia is KINGDOM, China is PEOPLES' republic. Just a title.

Economic currency doesn't have to be related to economic model. China used yuan/rembinbi with Mao's face on it both during planned economy and later contemporary free market economy.

So please, stop trolling if you want to hold serious conversation.

Hmm...

I think it will drown soon with all the heavy weights there...

No discussing with some people ♥

Wtf was this trolling