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נכתב על ידי Palmitas, 10.10.2021 at 22:43

then how it counts? If I turn auto produce in India does it mean every single city is a move or only the entire country counts as 1 move?

Every city counts as 1 "buy troops" move.

נכתב על ידי Palmitas, 10.10.2021 at 22:43

tbing with auto produce is hard then

Yes.

The top players by SP are the most active on average. Activity and dueling are not the same thing. Why does the "current playerbase" have to mainly consist of duelers? Dueling is a large minority, even among everyone in this thread dueling doesn't make up a majority of anyone's recent games here besides Palmitas.

Would be cool to have a tab to sort by seasonal Elo or get rid of regular Elo.

נכתב על ידי soft goth avery, 10.10.2021 at 16:03

Does auto produce count as move priority?

Yes

נכתב על ידי Chess, 09.10.2021 at 13:12

Can you add a warning message when a player tries to leave the game laying out the consequences of leaving games? Perhaps that may sway some people to not leave if they are made aware of the immediate consequences of their actions and what will happen in the future if they keep up this behaviour.

that's a good idea, I'll see what I can do

Personally I think our most likely future is Firefly, where after a horrible war we all end up living under an authoritarian central "alliance", and we all swear in Chinese.

נכתב על ידי Tribune Aquila, 09.10.2021 at 12:18

You are right to be skeptical of the attempts by western governments to provide "safety" to their populations... when the measures they use to provide safety are in many cases disproportional to the risks associated with other viruses. For example, if we quantify the safety measures governments use today and the dangers of COVID and then divide the former by the latter, the product must surely be greater than the prevailing ratio among other viruses. Why is this the case? Well, that's not obvious... and it's not right to jump to conclusions about it and the future of our world without contemplating more than a few factors.

^^ agree with this. I'm not saying Covid isn't serious -- clearly it is, and people have died from it. However the response to Covid has been wholly out of proportion to the actual danger level. Draconian regulations, lockdowns, forced vaccinations, the deliberate ruining of entire sectors of the economy (to make people even more dependent on the government), and the shifting of huge sums of money from one group to another in the name of "covid relief" (with little accountability where this money is actually going)... it is all quite stunning to watch.

As Rahm Emanuel said:

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You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

נכתב על ידי ITSGG1122, 09.10.2021 at 11:43

People dont leave this game because of toxity. People leave this game because of trolls and because the game gets retarded. Leavers and trolls ruining games makes us leave the game.
Any other game has penalty system for trolls and leavers. Toxicy was not even their first priority.

You spend hours to play 1 game then get trolled or when someone leaves the map or ruins it, thats hours wasted > hence reason to leave atwar is high. So its just logical that atwar is played by less and less people.

Right now the penalty for trolls and leavers is that they don't gain any SP or PC from the game... and of course you can add them to your banlist too.

But this is why I reworked how the Abandoned Games % is calculated... to quote myself:

נכתב על ידי Dave, 28.03.2020 at 02:14

Be careful though, at some point in the future I'll be adding a way for people to block users from games if their abandoned % is above a certain threshold... so try to keep your percent low!

... that's still on my list, it will happen at some point.

My grandmother grew up during the great depression. When I was a kid she used to tell me stories about how bad it was. Her family was so poor, they would steal vegetables from the neighbor's farm just to survive.

Personally I was hit very hard by the 2008 recession. By 2009 I had exhausted all my savings, lost my house, lost my business. Thankfully I never had to resort to stealing food, but it was close. I had no family to fall back on. I ended up living on a couch in an office for a while, and despite working long hours I still couldn't make enough to live on. There were many occasions where I'd look in my wallet and see maybe $10, and have to decide how much of that to spend on food and how much to spend on gas for my car, because that $10 was all the money I had in the world.

I think its hard to understand that feeling -- spending the last dollar you possess, not knowing when you would have any money again -- unless you've lived through it. Still, my experience because of the 2008 recession was not as bad as those who lived through the great depression. I never faced starvation, cold winters without heat, or living on the street. It could have been worse. I only share my story to give some context to my perspective. I'm a conservative, which according to our mainstream media, apparently means I'm supposed to be evil and heartless, but in truth I'm very sympathetic to the cause of people who work hard and yet struggle to survive.

In my grandparents' generation, after WWII you could live a middle-class life on a single income. For example, my grandfather was a construction worker, and he made enough by himself to support his wife and 2 daughters and to buy a house in the suburbs of Los Angeles. Try doing that in 2021! It's totally impossible. Unless you're a doctor or a highly-skilled tech worker, realistically it takes a minimum of 2 incomes now to live at the same level, and even then you might still not make it.

Clearly, the economy has deteriorated a lot from the 1950's to now, from the perspective of low- and middle-class workers. (The elites, on the other hand, seem to be richer than ever.) This is not a sustainable situation. Will the economy crash in 2021? 2022? 2030? I have no idea. I am only certain that that's the road we are on, and unless something dramatic changes, it's going to end badly for us.

Unfortunately, the goverment is doing everything it can to speed up the decline. Ignore everything they *say*, because you never know if politicians are sincere or not (I tend to assume they are not, unless proven otherwise). Just look at what the government actually *does*, and you will find the answer. Maybe they have good intentions and are just ignorant of how economics works, or maybe they deliberately want us to be poor, I don't know. Either way, the fact is, their policies are actively making us poorer. (By "us" I mean the low- and middle-classes, not the elites who continue to get richer.) A lot of the problem is inflation.

Since the coronavirus pandemic, the U.S. has been printing money like there's no tomorrow. Only a tiny % of this has made it into the pockets of people who actually need it. Where did all the other billions and billions of dollars go? Probably to big corporations who didn't need it, but got it because they are politically well connected. Probably a lot went to numerous politicians' "pet projects". (Example: a town in rural Nevada got $8000 in Covid relief money to paint a mural on the outside of a community center. That's nice and all, but what does that have to do with recovering from Covid? Aside from the artist who got a big paycheck, how does that benefit anybody?)

Recently the U.S. even floated the idea of minting a $1 trillion dollar coin. So far they haven't actually done it, but that they would even consider it is evidence of the situation we are in. Can't print money fast enough? Let's just make trillion dollar coins!

It reminds me of this:



That's a 1 billion Reichsmark note. Maybe you could by a loaf of bread with it in 1925.

You see, we already know that when you recklessly pump money into an economy it causes inflation. Weimar Germany in the 1920-30's is the textbook example of this, but it's happened the same way in various places and at various times. Nevertheless, our elected leaders seem blissfully ignorant of history as they set off to do exactly the same thing all over again.

Inflation is already showing up, and it's bad. The prices of everything are going up. The elites don't care because they have plenty of money, so it doesn't effect them. Inflation hurts most the people who are least able to deal with it. And then the government says "no problem, we'll just raise the minimum wage" -- as if companies will just pay the extra money out of the goodness of their hearts and not pass it along to customers in the form of even higher prices! It's a vicious cycle, and once you get it started it's incredibly difficult to stop.

So yes, I am very concerned that we are right now living through times eerily similar to the 1920-30's.

I'm fascinated by the history of WWII, and the events leading up to it, because it shows us how quickly societies can fall. Weimar Germany was a vibrant democracy, but their horrible economic conditions directly contributed to the rise of nazism. In the space of 10 years they went from liberal democracy to the Third Reich and the holocaust. How can an entire nation of people abandon their beliefs and turn to evil in such a short time? And, more importantly, what's to stop it from happening again somewhere else?

I'm shocked by how much the United States has changed in the last 10 years. This time the danger is not from nazism or fascism, but rather communism. Either way though, the end result is certain ruin. As a nation we have lurched hard to the left, and ever since the pandemic this process is accelerating very quickly. Racial tensions, which had been steadily improving since the 1960's, are now getting worse daily. Economic conditions are the worst I've seen since 2008 -- despite the high stock market, cryptos, and real estate -- it feels like we're on the verge of another bubble. Crime is the worst it's been in decades. Homelessness is out of control. As I look around, by almost every measure our country is falling apart. I hope I'm wrong, but it's hard to deny the obvious.

The big crash hasn't come yet, but like I said, the course we're on is not sustainable. It could be months, it could be years, but it's only a matter of time. When it happens, there's no telling what horrors it may lead to, because apparently we have all forgotten the lessons of 100 years ago.

/end novel

Please do not make multiple appeals. Be patient.

Not the right format, and sending a message, added a week.

Unprosecuted Supervisor and General Director are new ones though, i'll add them to the list of hats.

AtWar's server host will be performing scheduled maintenance on October 15, 2021, between 4am and 8am UTC time. The game should continue as normal during this time, except for possibly brief connection interruptions. Copy & pasting from our host's announcement:

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Event Type: Network Upgrade

We are performing system changes during the following scheduled maintenance window.

Start Time: 2021-10-15 04:00:00 UTC
End Time: 2021-10-15 08:00:00 UTC

נכתב על ידי EmissiveSlider, 08.10.2021 at 01:05

China changed it's military districts from the original 7 to 5 in 2016. So please change that in the map and add more cities.[img][/img]

Shouldn't we remove cities since it lost districts? Either way you'll want to hit up the Meta team lead by Dave (Or Direwarlord/Mobster as they're working on it) currently if you want that to be a thing in the new world map.

This isn't the place to make jokes.

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נכתב על ידי Black Vortex, 07.10.2021 at 11:58

Very cool,
one question though, will the new world map have the same permissions as the current one? Anyone can host world map 2.0 and presets (but not change some of the game options without premium)?

Yes, it will be just like the current world map -- anyone can host it.

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Cws are a spectacle, I think muting them detracts from the community and you can always turn off game chat.

Damn I forgot to add Canada to the list

Take that Brian! ♥

נכתב על ידי Chess, 06.10.2021 at 00:58

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Also, how can you vote for Nevada Dave? There's like 45 states better than Nevada.

I take it that poll results are not anonymous to admins since he didn't mention that in this topic.

Actually the votes really are recorded anonymously... even I couldn't tell you who voted for what. He was probably just looking at whos visited the topic and guessing... considering how often I complain about California, it probably wasn't hard for him to figure it out

נכתב על ידי Sid, 06.10.2021 at 00:02

Also, how can you vote for Nevada Dave?

- No state income tax.
- Good business environment (low regulations, low bullshit)
- Affordable real estate.
- Pro-gun (CCW shall-issue state; open carry legal)
- Outside of Vegas, the people are generally much friendlier than in CA. (I can give lots of anecdotal evidence of this, but suffice to say I am convinced of it.)

I have a place in NV now and I much prefer being there than in CA. Vegas is crazy, but everywhere else in Nevada is a wonderful place to be. I really feel like I belong there.

Of the states i've lived in or been to, Rhode Island was probably my favorite. Beautiful and classy.

Also, how can you vote for Nevada Dave? There's like 45 states better than Nevada.

^^

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נכתב על ידי Noir Brillant, 05.10.2021 at 12:58

Hi,

Question is for Dave (or anyone else familiar with the map maker programming).

Can I edit a map or a scenario while some active games are using them?
Sounds like a useless question if you think about quick games, but when the maps / scenarios are being played as 100 day casual games, that can slow down the map development quite a bit.

I know that with the old map editor, I ruined a few maps and games doing so. I was just wondering if the new map editor is robust enough to handle that.

Thanks

Edit: I don't mind if changes are effective immediately in ongoing games or not; I just want to avoid irreversibly ruining the map itself.

Short answer -- no, I wouldn't recommend it.

Long answer -- it should be safe to do small things like reuploading the background, or small border adjustments. Any games in progress would pick up these changes immediately.
Where you would get into trouble would be if you do things like changing cities, or countries... this would likely cause errors, or not show up at all. Probably the same thing with changing scenario parameters.

To speed up map development I would suggest making a new clone for each change you want to make. That's what we're doing for the World Map 2.0 project -- every time we make changes a new clone is made and we put a version number on it for our own reference. That's really the best way to do it safely. (Which still kinda sucks, I know, but it is what is....)

Also FWIW the ability to delete maps is coming in the near future so you wouldn't have to worry about all those clones staying in your account forever... you'll be able to clean them up soon.

As for the topic of activity... sure we all want more activity, but if that issue is to be solved, it will be solved by new blood coming in. We are not going to give a free pass to bad behavior, in order to get back people who were literally destroying this community. (You haven't seen the complaints like I have -- I've gotten dozens of messages over the last 2+ years because of people who hack, cheat, or are extremely toxic, and the normal users who have quit the game because of it.) The people we've gotten rid of needed to go, and I consider keeping them out an important step to the future of atWar.

As I've said before we have plenty of new users signing up each month... the solution is to make the game more attractive to them so they stay interested. My focus is getting more r0-r5's. We need to stop thinking of the game from the perspective of high rank competitive players, are start thinking about it from a noob's perspective, because that's the only way we're going to get any significant influx of new players.

נכתב על ידי Crow, 05.10.2021 at 11:50

I can't believe you think bugs has nothing to offer to atWar. I know I am the last person to be talking about this situation considering my ban history, but I just have to disagree with you on that take.

I can understand if you think Unleashed wouldn't have anything to offer this game if he was unbanned, but saying bugs would have nothing to offer is just wrong. Whether or not you like him, you cannot deny that bugs is a good player (even without hacks, but let's be honest, it's not like he is the only good player on this game who was caught using hacks). If bugs was to return then Same would also return and that's one clan that's revived and back in the competitive scene, and two competitive players also returning to spice up the competition and make it more interesting.

You also have to look at the different motivations between Unleashed and bugs whenever they make alts. Unleashed makes alt accounts to spam the forum and call people names, bugs just makes alts to play games on atWar. Keep in mind that Sun Tzu and Froyer also hid bugs in their clans when he was using an alt, and all he did was play in cws and duels, not harming anyone.

From what I know, bugs has been playing league for the past year with other atWar members, including moderators and former admins Clovis and Mecoy. I do not necessarily believe bugs is this boogeyman that is hated by the atWar community, but rather, just poor decisions he made when he was younger when he was originally banned which started a long fued between him and the moderators of this game.

This situation reminds me to 2016 when I and others would campaign for hdrakon's unban (you can look at my old posts on the ROYAL account for proof). You could say hdrakon was the bugs to Amok and Ivan, he would spam alts, hacked the mod forum, abuse hacks and was just generally a nuisance to the atWar team. I pleaded with Sun Tzu (the only active admin at the time) to give hdrakon one last chance to prove he had changed, and in February 2017 he was finally unbanned. And well, as soon as he was unbanned Mystics got hype and we were extremely active that season, and he also proved he has changed and is now a supporter.

I know this would mostly fall on deaf ears and even risk me getting banned, but it's just something I had to say. You cannot deny that bugs is a good competitive player who would increase atWar activity. There has been plenty of good and respectable players that have been banned for bug abusing and going a bit crazy. Hell, Mauzer Panteri straight up boycotted the competitive scene with Mortal Kombat but still logged on everyday on an alt because we all know deep down he still loves atWar.

At the end of the day, atWar needs more activity, whether good or bad. I find no motivation to play atWar nowadays because less activity, Same quit the game and every clan is clique formed and if you aren't part of the clique then there's no point in joining. I still login from time to time to keep up to date with the game because I still care about atWar. I even tried convincing Mauzer Panteri to revive Mortal Kombat just so I can watch them CW again, because I have great respect for Mauzer and Mortal Kombat.

That's all I have to say on the matter. I stopped talking to moderators regarding bugs, but after reading this thread I just decided to give my opinion on the situation. I know Dave and Sid have their own opinions on bugs and the type of person they think he is, but I just hope they will be willing to maybe reconsider their judgement on him and ask people who actually talk to him daily, including Clovis, who I'm sure would trust his opinion.

I understand your opinion. I just urge you to use caution with him. I am 100% convinced he has serious psychological issues. He exactly fits the profile for narcissistic personality disorder -- I'm not a psychiatrist, but I have known at least one person with NPD in my life, and I can tell you the similarity in behavior is uncanny. Right now everything may seem fine because you two are friends, but if he ever turns on you, watch out. For your own safety I really encourage you to distance yourself from him as much as possible.

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